Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Thats fine, you can disagree. Fact is that Hughes is paid to get sacks. There are stretches of weeks where he doesnt get a single sack. He went 8 weeks last season without a sack. Hes supposed to be our pass rush specialist. And hes not great vs the run. I like Hughes but he disappears for long stretches of the season. Yeh he gets double teamed at times. He's paid to help his team win football games. Getting good pressure on the QB does that. I get that sacks a much more flashy, but players on the line, on both sides of the ball, are also dependent on the players next to them doing well. It that doesn't happen, you suffer because of it. Why do you think Hughes would get double teamed? Is it because he's good, or is it because his linemates weren't good? The answer is yes. Dareus was a bum last year, Kyle a shell of his former self, Washington not very good, Lawson under performing, Yarborough not the most athletic or refined. Hughes was more of a focal point for opposing offenses as a result. RBs and TEs would chip him over Yarborough or Lawson. That can be the difference between a sack and a hurry, and I'm sure it was on several occasions. Being the 20th best edge rusher out of 64, under those circumstances, pretty much renders your take as a bad one. Maybe he isn't the best against the run, but the defense as a whole should be this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Underperforming based on what sack totals? Right back to where your poor take began. Run with it. I know right. It’s weird judging a pass rusher by sacks. Kinda like judging a QB by how many TDs he throws. That would be crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I know right. It’s weird judging a pass rusher by sacks. Kinda like judging a QB by how many TDs he throws. That would be crazy... Not like that at all with so many different responsibilities and performance measureables for the respective positions. Hughes is a good player who's important to the success of the defense. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Not like that at all with so many different responsibilities and performance measureables for the respective positions. Hughes is a good player who's important to the success of the defense. Carry on. Yes like picking up bone head penalties all the time. Good day, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yes like picking up bone head penalties all the time. Good day, sir. Yes. All the time. Another great take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yes. All the time. Another great take. You seem angry. Do you want to talk about it? I’m here if you need someone to talk to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: You seem angry. Do you want to talk about it? I’m here if you need someone to talk to Angry? That's pretty funny. I'm just pointing out the fallacies you keep posting regarding Hughes. Angry has nothing to do with anything, but nice deflection. Edited June 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Angry? That's pretty funny. I'm just pointing out the fallacies you keep posting regarding Hughes. Angry has nothing to do with anything, but nice deflection. Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yes like picking up bone head penalties all the time. Good day, sir. Hughes in 2017 had 6 penalties in 735 snaps. He took a penalty .008% of the time he was on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team.... Yes. I'm delusional and you're proving how little you know about football. I'm sure Beane is on the phone now trying to trade Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Nice deflection?!? You’re delusional. I’m sorry that I expect more than 4 sacks from a guy that is the highest paid player on the team.... Why hasn't a Defensive Minded Coach, with his big contract, not get rid of him if he really is as bad as you're saying he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yes. I'm delusional and you're proving how little you know about football. I'm sure Beane is on the phone now trying to trade Hughes. I’m sorry. Maybe it’s just your personality. And yes the “you must not know anything about football” take. What is that thing that the point guard throws around? Can you help me out with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I’m sorry. Maybe it’s just your personality. And yes the “you must not know anything about football” take. What is that thing that the point guard throws around? Can you help me out with that? Another deflection attempt. Accusations of being delusional after your points have been proven off base is your personality it would seem. Sacks, it's only about the sacks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why hasn't a Defensive Minded Coach, with his big contract, not get rid of him if he really is as bad as you're saying he is? I never said he was “bad”. Comparing his production to his salary and then comparing Lawson’s production to his salary tells me that at this very moment, Lawson is arguably more valuable to the team. Now if you asked me straight up who I’d pick to start at DE, without thinking salary cap, I’m taking Hughes all day long. Lawson is younger and cheaper. Now before 26livesinhismothersbasement started getting offended, I would have mentioned that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: He's paid to help his team win football games. Getting good pressure on the QB does that. I get that sacks a much more flashy, but players on the line, on both sides of the ball, are also dependent on the players next to them doing well. It that doesn't happen, you suffer because of it. Why do you think Hughes would get double teamed? Is it because he's good, or is it because his linemates weren't good? The answer is yes. Dareus was a bum last year, Kyle a shell of his former self, Washington not very good, Lawson under performing, Yarborough not the most athletic or refined. Hughes was more of a focal point for opposing offenses as a result. RBs and TEs would chip him over Yarborough or Lawson. That can be the difference between a sack and a hurry, and I'm sure it was on several occasions. Being the 20th best edge rusher out of 64, under those circumstances, pretty much renders your take as a bad one. Maybe he isn't the best against the run, but the defense as a whole should be this year. I dont necessarily disagree with anything you say in theory however the reality is different. There were games where Hughes wasn’t even seen in the game. You don’t think Joey Bosa is double teamed? Who ranked him the 20th best pass rusher out of 64? Edited June 20, 2018 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Bills drafted a DE who played with the team for a long time. He was a real lunch pail guy who wasn’t very good but was always defended by the masses because he was “good against the run.” He just wasn’t a very good player. We don’t need more of those players. Why can't we have talented players with work ethic? It isn't always a one or the other proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I never said he was “bad”. Comparing his production to his salary and then comparing Lawson’s production to his salary tells me that at this very moment, Lawson is arguably more valuable to the team. Now if you asked me straight up who I’d pick to start at DE, without thinking salary cap, I’m taking Hughes all day long. Lawson is younger and cheaper. Now before 26livesinhismothersbasement started getting offended, I would have mentioned that No one but you is getting offended and you make that obvious. Another silly point as Hughes position on the team is not in question while Lawson has much to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Another deflection attempt. Accusations of being delusional after your points have been proven off base is your personality it would seem. Sacks, it's only about the sacks! Another great take Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: No one but you is getting offended and you make that obvious. Another silly point as Hughes position on the team is not in question while Lawson has much to prove. Another great take 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Yes it’s not all about the sacks; however, it’s a lengthy trend. Hughes had 4 sacks last season, 6 the season prior, and 5 the season before. If he’s not stout vs the run (which he’s not) and isn’t getting sacks, what’s he doing? Ah yes, creating “pressure” (except that’s not really happening either). He’s certainly not racking up tackle totals either. He must be a unicorn: he’s awesome, but doesn’t get sacks, and doesn’t get tackles. He’s had a whopping 2 forced fumbles and zero fumble recoveries over the last 31 games started. 5 sacks/season over the last 3 seasons is Chris Kelsay territory. Edited June 20, 2018 by bobobonators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, KW95 said: Lots of Hughes fans on here. Let me be clear....He's not a game changer, he's not a great player. He's there. Dare I say, he's cost us more games than he's won? Go ahead, bring on the comments..... Not worth the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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