Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[Tiberius]

 

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As a matter of policy, the US government is separating families who seek asylum in the US by crossing the border illegally.

Dozens of parents are being split from their children each day — the children labeled “unaccompanied minors” and sent to government custody or foster care, the parents labeled criminals and sent to jail.

To many critics of the Trump administration, family separation is an unpardonable atrocity. Articles depict children crying themselves to sleep because they don’t know where their parents are; one Honduran man killed himself in a detention cell after his child was taken from him.

But the horror can make it hard to wrap your head around the policy.

Family separation isn’t sudden, nor is it arbitrary. While the Trump administration claims it’s taking extraordinary measures in response to a temporary surge, it is entirely possible this will be the new normal. 

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

 

F'n barbaric 

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Quoted from Jennifer Rubin at Washington post 

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The Southern Baptist Convention issued their own statement. It is quoted at length because it is so powerful:

WHEREAS, Every man, woman, and child from every language, race, and nation is a special creation of God, made in His own image (Genesis 1:26–27); and

WHEREAS, Longings to protect one’s family from warfare, violence, disease, extreme poverty, and other destitute conditions are universal, driving millions of people to leave their homelands to seek a better life for themselves, their children, and their grandchildren; and

WHEREAS, God commands His people to treat immigrants with the same respect and dignity as those native born (Leviticus 19:33–34; Jeremiah 7:5–7; Ezekiel 47:22; Zechariah 7:9–10); and

WHEREAS, Scripture is clear on the believer’s hospitality towards immigrants, stating that meeting the material needs of “strangers” is tantamount to serving the Lord Jesus Himself (Matthew 25:35–40; Hebrews 13:2); and

WHEREAS, Southern Baptists affirm the value of the family, stating in The Baptist Faith and Message that “God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society” (Article XVIII), and Scripture makes clear that parents are uniquely responsible to raise their children “in the training and instruction of the Lord” (Ephesians 6:4).  . . .

RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Dallas, Texas, June 12–13, 2018, affirm the value and dignity of immigrants, regardless of their race, religion, ethnicity, culture, national origin, or legal status; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we desire to see immigration reform include an emphasis on securing our borders and providing a pathway to legal status with appropriate restitutionary measures, maintaining the priority of family unity, resulting in an efficient immigration system that honors the value and dignity of those seeking a better life for themselves and their families; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we declare that any form of nativism, mistreatment, or exploitation is inconsistent with the gospel of Jesus Christ; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we encourage all elected officials, especially those who are members of Southern Baptist churches, to do everything in their power to advocate for a just and equitable immigration system, those in the professional community to seek ways to administer just and compassionate care for the immigrants in their community, and our Southern Baptist entities to provide resources that will equip and empower churches and church members to reach and serve immigrant communities. . . .

 

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Tiberius

[3rdnlng]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

 

F'n barbaric 

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Quoted from Jennifer Rubin at Washington post 

 

It's simple, so there's a chance (slim) that you might understand it. It's the law. It happened under Obama too and it happens all the time to actual citizens.

[Cinga]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It's simple, so there's a chance (slim) that you might understand it. It's the law. It happened under Obama too and it happens all the time to actual citizens.

And it happens to Americans but Tibs doesn't care about that, only the lib talking points.

 

If an American mom or pop is convicted of a crime, they are also then separated from their families right Gator? Amnesty for all parents?

 

This has to be the dumbest talking point the liberal talking heads have ever come up with... 

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, Cinga said:

And it happens to Americans but Tibs doesn't care about that, only the lib talking points.

 

If an American mom or pop is convicted of a crime, they are also then separated from their families right Gator? Amnesty for all parents?

 

This has to be the dumbest talking point the liberal talking heads have ever come up with... 

 

The easiest answer is to not separate them. Leave the kids with their parents and deport the entire family.

 

Of course, the reason they started separating the kids was to stop traffickers...

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Cinga said:

And it happens to Americans but Tibs doesn't care about that, only the lib talking points.

 

If an American mom or pop is convicted of a crime, they are also then separated from their families right Gator? Amnesty for all parents?

 

This has to be the dumbest talking point the liberal talking heads have ever come up with... 

It's the libs way of trying to force the feds to release the parents to appear in court at some future date.

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Cinga said:

And it happens to Americans but Tibs doesn't care about that, only the lib talking points.

 

If an American mom or pop is convicted of a crime, they are also then separated from their families right Gator? Amnesty for all parents?

 

This has to be the dumbest talking point the liberal talking heads have ever come up with... 

It's evil. 

 

The Catholic Church, the Southern Baptists, Jewish groups are all denouncing this. And rightfully so. 

 

Why are you saying its liberals bashing this? Would that make it ok? 

[Koko78]

23 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It's simple, so there's a chance (slim) that you might understand it. It's the law. It happened under Obama too and it happens all the time to actual citizens.

 

I think it's patently unfair that a man was just brutally and barbarically separated from his children simply because he murdered a few people, or robbed a bank, broke into a home, beat his wife, or drove without a license. He should be allowed to raise his children 24/7 while being detained for violating the law, damnit!

[Tiberius]

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I'm sure these Jewish groups all know about the ship St. Louis and anti-immigration hysteria surrounding it. 

 

But hey, Liberals or something. 

 

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/jewish-orgs-letter-sessions-nielsen-family-separations-2018-06-12.pdf

 

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June 12, 2018 The Honorable Jeff Sessions Attorney General U.S. Department of Justice Washington, DC 20530 The Honorable Kirstjen Nielsen Secretary of Homeland Security Department of Homeland Security Washington, DC 20528 Dear Attorney General Sessions and Secretary Nielsen, On behalf of the 26 undersigned national Jewish organizations and institutions, we write to express our strong opposition to the recently expanded “zero-tolerance” policy that includes separating children from their migrant parents when they cross the border. This policy undermines the values of our nation and jeopardizes the safety and well-being of thousands of people. As Jews, we understand the plight of being an immigrant fleeing violence and oppression. We believe that the United States is a nation of immigrants and how we treat the stranger reflects on the moral values and ideals of this nation. Many of these migrant families are seeking asylum in the United States to escape violence in Central America. Taking children away from their families is unconscionable. Such practices inflict unnecessary trauma on parents and children, many of whom have already suffered traumatic experiences. This added trauma negatively impacts physical and mental health, including increasing the risk of early death.1 Separating families is a cruel punishment for children and families simply seeking a better life and exacerbates existing challenges in our immigration system. It adds to the backlog of deportation cases and legal challenges in federal courts, places thousands more immigrants in detention facilities and shelters, endangers the lives of more children, and instills additional fear in people seeking safety in our country. In addition, those seeking asylum or other legal protection face numerous obstacles to making a claim, especially from detention. Separating family members at the border would force families into two or more immigration cases instead of a single case for each family, harming their ability to present a successful case. Our Jewish faith demands of us concern for the stranger in our midst. Our own people’s history as “strangers” reminds us of the many struggles faced by immigrants today and compels our commitment to an immigration system in this country that is compassionate and just. We urge 1 Michael MacKenzie, Emily Bosk, and Charles Zeanah, “Separation Families at the BorderConsequences for Children’s Health and Well-Being,” New England Journal of Medicine, June 15, 2017, available at https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMp1703375. you to immediately rescind the “zero tolerance” policy and uphold the values of family unity and justice on which our nation was built. Sincerely, American Conference of Cantors American Jewish Committee (AJC) American Jewish World Service Anti-Defamation League B’nai B’rith International Bend the Arc Jewish Action Central Conference of American Rabbis Hadassah, The Women's Zionist Organization of America, Inc. HIAS Jewish Council for Public Affairs Jewish Labor Committee Jewish Women International Men of Reform Judaism National Association of Jewish Legislators National Council of Jewish Women Network of Jewish Human Service Agencies NFTY – The Reform Jewish Youth Movement Rabbinical Assembly Reconstructing Judaism Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association The Workmen's Circle T'ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights Union for Reform Judaism United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism Uri L'Tzedek, The Orthodox Socia

 

[Cinga]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's evil. 

 

The Catholic Church, the Southern Baptists, Jewish groups are all denouncing this. And rightfully so. 

 

Why are you saying its liberals bashing this? Would that make it ok? 

I know reading is hard, but where does it stop? Is it only illegals we're discussing here? What about American families that are split up every F..... day? Do they matter to you? Or is it only potential votes that matter?

And I don't care about those religious groups either. Most of them, like you, want open borders. It's the law, don't like it, change the law.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Cinga said:

I know reading is hard, but where does it stop? Is it only illegals we're discussing here? What about American families that are split up every F..... day? Do they matter to you? Or is it only potential votes that matter?

And I don't care about those religious groups either. Most of them, like you, want open borders. It's the law, don't like it, change the law.

It's not the law. Stop spitting out Trump lies, makes you look like a Trump cultist 

[outsidethebox]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

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I'm sure these Jewish groups all know about the ship St. Louis and anti-immigration hysteria surrounding it. 

 

But hey, Liberals or something. 

 

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/jewish-orgs-letter-sessions-nielsen-family-separations-2018-06-12.pdf

 

 

I thought this was concerning mexicans. All you have is, but jews!!!

[LeviF]

Reading vox

Taking the adl at their word

 

u wot m8?

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, westside said:

I thought this was concerning mexicans. All you have is, but jews!!!

Seriously, that's the best you came up with? Damn, that's even lower than a 3RDthing response 

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Ok, next reaction, blame the media source! 

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's not the law. Stop spitting out Trump lies, makes you look like a Trump cultist 

 

What is the law then? 

[outsidethebox]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Seriously, that's the best you came up with? Damn, that's even lower than a 3RDthing response 

****

 

Ok, next reaction, blame the media source! 

Let's get some pictures of orphaned children from 2014 and blame Trump for it!

 

Serious question, why didnt it bother you then?

You're so dishonest.......

[Cinga]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's not the law. Stop spitting out Trump lies, makes you look like a Trump cultist 

Let's see.....

Did the parents break the law by crossing the border illegally? check

Should the parents go to jail for this by law? check

Should children go to jail with the parents? Yes according to Gator huh?

 

Now, answer the Fu.... question... Should we also stop separating American families when a parent breaks the law? Or is this fake compassion only for illegals?

1 minute ago, westside said:

Let's get some pictures of orphaned children from 2014 and blame Trump for it!

 

Serious question, why didnt it bother you then?

You're so dishonest.......

Yup... he gets his talking points from the same people Tapper gets his... 

[B-Man]

Why do you waste your time ?                 

 

He is NEVER going to answer your questions.

 

He posts the latest liberal diversion

 

Five immediate common sense responses............and what do we get ?

 

 His ONLY two replies

 

"you are Trump lovers"........................."You are blaming the media"

 

 

 

It is ALL he has got...............ignore it.

 

 

 

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Edited June 15, 2018 by B-Man

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Why do you waste your time ?                 

 

He is NEVER going to answer your questions.

 

He posts the latest liberal diversion

 

Five immediate common sense responses............and what do we get ?

 

 

 

 

only talk to liberals if you have that much time to waste

 

they don't listen, they don't care what you have to say

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

 

2. RIPPED AWAY

an hour ago

Report: Almost 2,000 Children Ripped From Families at Border

 

 

 

 

JOHN MOORE/ GETTY IMAGES

 

According to Homeland Security figures obtained Friday by the Associated Press, 1,995 minors were taken at the border from 1,940 adults between April 19 and May 31. These separations follow Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ announcement of his “zero-tolerance” policy for undocumented immigrants at the border, which mandates that anyone attempting to cross the border illegally will be seized and prosecuted. “If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday, as cited by NBC News. “If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border.” As another NBC News article notes, there is no law requiring border officials to separate children from their families. 

 

READ IT AT AP NEWS

[keepthefaith]

The real question is why we even detain illegal immigrants coming over the border at all.  We should adopt a 180 policy.  Turn around and get the hell out of here.  That will keep the families together.