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2 minutes ago, eball said:

I'll remember Graham for two things:  entertaining storytelling with TBN, and unnecessary snark towards well-intentioned fans on social media.

 

I know none of his peers will utter a negative word against him because of the "brotherhood" but I don't think he's a very good person, deep down.  Good writer though.

You and I are on the same side of the vast majority of things over the years and I respect your opinion and it's obviously okay to disagree on virtually anything. I don't get, however, the idea that his snark makes him a bad person deep down. Don Rickles was known as one of the best and nicest guys. And I know you are not saying that all snarkers are like Tim or just because you are snarky you are a bad guy deep down. But his particular brand of snark never made me think he was a bad guy. Thin skinned, sure.

 

Carry on. ;)

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Just now, Keukasmallies said:

 

and the "consistent bickering because of differences in opinion" is acceptable here, but nowhere else....?

 

I'm not sure where you're coming from when you're saying it's acceptable or not.  A lot of opinions on here aren't glorified and there are posters who are vilified...it's not just the sports writers.  T

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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tim Graham is a petulant child on Twitter. Tim Graham’s long story pieces are some of the best sports journalism I’ve ever seen. Unlike the other guys at TBN he was an asset.

 

So Tim's persona on Twitter was molded to match the medium?

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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tim Graham is a petulant child on Twitter. Tim Graham’s long story pieces are some of the best sports journalism I’ve ever seen. Unlike the other guys at TBN he was an asset.

 

Asset, yes.  Timeh is a very good writer.   But his specialty, long form pieces, is an expensive luxury for a mid-size regional newspaper like the BN.   

 

Now The Athletic, that's another matter.    They should scoop him up... 

 

 

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I can't believe people are celebrating this, even if you don't like him as a person.

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3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Asset, yes.  Timeh is a very good writer.   But his specialty, long form pieces, is an expensive luxury for a mid-size regional newspaper like the BN.   

 

Now The Athletic, that's another matter.    They should scoop him up... 

 

 

100% agree

 

My point was just he offers SOMETHING. Sully and Bucky at this point are nothing more than tired, negative content. That used to be the way to get attention. Now, you just need to be interesting and fresh. They are neither.  People will accept negativity if it is new but writing “same ol’ Bills” articles over and over doesn’t work anymore.

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Fans rip coaches, refs, some players, announcers and writers. Most of those doing the ripping are unable to do any of those things half as well as those they rip. The Internet and Twitter are the refuge for the talentless blowhards to criticize, and produce little of value, anonymously of course.

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Pegula Purge!

 

Can’t wait for homogenized “opinions” dictated from the top.

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2 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

Pegula Purge!

 

Can’t wait for homogenized “opinions” dictated from the top.

 

More like a new sports editor (Josh Barnett) building his own team.    Same as with McD and his "process"...

 

 

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Seems like the end of days for the Buffalo News. Everyone is leaving.

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"Nearly one-fifth of the paper’s staff reporters and columnists having taken the voluntary buyout package. Among them: sports columnists Jerry Sullivan and Bucky Gleason, sports reporter John Vogl, arts and cultural reporter Mary Kunz Goldman, health care reporter Henry Davis, and deputy sports editor Bob DiCesare."

 

"The Guild noted the paper employed 86 reporters and columnists in 2008. Now, it is down to 44, a nearly 49 percent decrease."
 

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I hated him after his exchange with EJ after his rookie year.  The pinnacle of a nerd talking crap to the popular jock, only he couldn’t get punched now.  

 

Believe it it or not, sports media is the easiest job in the world to replace.  It takes little talent to write about other/ criticize other people doing a job.

2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Seems like the end of days for the Buffalo News. Everyone is leaving.

IF you can’t replace miserable hacks like Jerry, Bucky, or Timmy, you deserve to fold your paper. Hell, there are posters on this board I’d rather read write about the Bills. 

 

Sal Capaccio was a high school teacher/ coach and he’s better than those 3.

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6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hated him after his exchange with EJ after his rookie year.  The pinnacle of a nerd talking crap to the popular jock, only he couldn’t get punched now.  

 

Believe it it or not, sports media is the easiest job in the world to replace.  It takes little talent to write about other/ criticize other people doing a job.

IF you can’t replace miserable hacks like Jerry, Bucky, or Timmy, you deserve to fold your paper. Hell, there are posters on this board I’d rather read write about the Bills. 

 

Sal Capaccio was a high school teacher/ coach and he’s better than those 3.

Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents.

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14 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

More like a new sports editor (Josh Barnett) building his own team.    Same as with McD and his "process"...

 

 

 

You really think The Buffalo News is "building" anything?

 

They are dropping employees like its going out of style.  Not just the sports writers.  Everywhere.  I know people who work there and they are legitimately concerned if they are going to have a job to go to in a week or a month

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1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

this is what we all wanted, right?

 

No local sports reporting?

Don't mind the idiots who enjoy the sport of hating on journalism.  

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4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents.

I generally agree but never was really wowed by anything those 3 wrote (though TG did have a few long pieces that were good).  But given how many wannabe sports writers there are, this is not that hard to replace. 

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents.

 

Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience.

 

Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. 

 

Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Fadingpain said:

Don't mind the idiots who enjoy the sport of hating on journalism.  

“Journalism.”  Sully destroying Mario Williams for having a fridge in his training camp room, calling him a bust for a year, and not once admitting he was wrong after Mario had an all pro season.  “Journalism.”

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I generally agree but never was really wowed by anything those 3 wrote (though TG did have a few long pieces that were good).  But given how many wannabe sports writers there are, this is not that hard to replace. 

It's not as easy a job as people think. It's like being an NFL analyst on games. It's almost impossible to think of one that everyone likes because it's so hard to do well consistently and please wildly disparate audiences with wildly disparate wants and needs and knowledge base.

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1 minute ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience.

 

Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. 

 

Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen.

 

 

Agree 100%.  There are amazing sports writers.  But some of these act like they are more valuable than the players.  And the thing that always gets me is how they never ever take accountability when they are wrong.  Thankfully, there are sites now they bring back their terrible takes.

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3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience.

 

Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. 

 

Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen.

 

 

See above. Sure, a lot of people can get jobs. No, there are not a lot of good ones because it is actually a very hard job to do. There are a ton of TV writing jobs and TV jobs as a whole. There are not a ton of good TV shows because they are hard to make.

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I'll ask again, do you consider the Chef's twitter feed when he is cooking you dinner? Do you consider an actor's politics when he or she are performing in a movie or TV show? Do you consider a politician's favorite team when you discuss their politics? Take what he writes for the article's merit. There was nothing of Tim Graham's snarkiness in his terrific five part series on Josh Allen's roots. Zero point zero. 

I don’t agree with the comparison. A reporter is special in that their twitter feed is easily construed as part of their work product. Oftentimes they (including Tim) will tweet instead of writing a story.

 

I think the way Graham represents himself on Twitter is 100% fair game in terms of his evaluation as a reporter.

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25 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

Pegula Purge!

 

Can’t wait for homogenized “opinions” dictated from the top.

We already live in a society structured in that manner.


Every media outlet you care to mention in this country is owned by one of six or so mega conglomerates.

 

The death of the local newspaper is not something to celebrate as Americans.

 

The idiots who like to hate on TBN don't really get that, however.

 

 

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