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Sad day. Tim Graham out at Buffalo News

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14 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

This right here. Had the pleasure of taking a sportswriting class taught by him (check out the podcast), and he was one of the best teachers I ever had. Master of writing. 

 

 

Yup, he's a terrific writer. The awards he's won aren't by mistake.

 

Wonder what the story is.

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4 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

His twitter “persona” was a plus for me. He gave trolls on twitter exactly what they deserved - they don’t deserve to be reasoned with he was crass sure and shut them down best he could. Made me want to read his actual work even more.

 

 

Yup. He was extremely snarky but really smart about it. Crass on SNS? Yeah, at times. Fair enough.

 

I can see people being irritated by it but that's the way SNS tends to go. I'm with you, though. I rarely spend time on twitter for any reason but on the very unusual sporadic times I checked in he generally made me laugh and had a good point or two to consider, I thought.

 

Good luck to Tim. I have been a long-time BN Blitz subscriber. I'll stick with them for now, but I've never doubted the worth of their coverage and now I'll have my eye on how well they're doing.

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4 hours ago, folz said:

 

"Vain" is correct. "You're so vain"

 

"Vane" is the correct spelling for a "weathervane"

 

"Vein" is used for the vessels that carry the blood around our bodies, or a mineral deposit in a rock (like a vein of gold)

 

 

The use of vein that means arrogant is taken from the use that is a mineral deposit, particularly gold.  You're so vein was originally a joke about Paul Hornung who called himself the Golden Boy and opponents did not like that.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So is the paper going belly up?

 

 

Quite possibly.  Happening all over the country

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What a shock for such a major turn over. The printed media is getting outdated by online . It's like what outsourcing did to manufacturing jobs.

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17 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No it's not. It's easy. Do you watch a movie and consider an actor's political views as to whether you like the performance or not? 

 

Is that a rhetorical question? I haven't watched a Sean Penn movie since the 80s.

 

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43 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Is that a rhetorical question? I haven't watched a Sean Penn movie since the 80s.

 

so you got in his best movie ..Bad Boys??

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1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

so you got in his best movie ..Bad Boys??

 

Colors I think was the last one.

 

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7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Give me examples of when he just started it and went after someone. I saw dozens and dozens of times when someone would tweet to him or respond to him, and then and only then did he go off on them. Personally, I found it funny. But I am snarky myself and I understand why people don't always like it or get it. But he was not the troll. He responded to trolls. One can argue he went too far or had thin skin. He never started it as far as I have seen or know.

I had really good seats for the NCAAs back in 2014 in Buffalo.  Lo and behold, TG was 10 feet in front of me on press row.  I fired off a what I thought was a real solid insult to him (it wasn't) and he laid into me pretty good.  I learned a valuable lesson that day...Don't f**k with Twitter.  

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Anybody check on Lori?  She must be devastated. 

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20 minutes ago, stony said:

I had really good seats for the NCAAs back in 2014 in Buffalo.  Lo and behold, TG was 10 feet in front of me on press row.  I fired off a what I thought was a real solid insult to him (it wasn't) and he laid into me pretty good.  I learned a valuable lesson that day...Don't f**k with Twitter.  

 

He’s a person. Be nice. 

1 hour ago, ALF said:

What a shock for such a major turn over. The printed media is getting outdated by online . It's like what outsourcing did to manufacturing jobs.

 

Except for readers conflating clickbait with quality. Make any topic into a “Top 5” list and it would get more views than Woodward and Bernstein breaking Watergate. 

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19 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

Why is it that sports writers' opinions are vilified, yet the opinions of TBD posters are glorified?

 

 

Because deep down inside, so many want to be where Tim Graham was: paid to talk and write sports and most cannot admit the jealousy.

 

Am I jealous of a talk show host or a really good sportswriter for the job they get to do?

 

You are damn right I am!

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19 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

Why is it that sports writers' opinions are vilified, yet the opinions of TBD posters are glorified?

 

With the exception of self glorification, I’ve not seen many express a lot of awe for other’s opinions here. We are mostly just shouting into the penguin hoard. 

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20 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No it's not. It's easy. Do you watch a movie and consider an actor's political views as to whether you like the performance or not? 

You would think so, but there are people on the right who won't watch a Penn, Deniro, or Streep movie just as there are those on the left who won't watch a James Woods, Dennis Miller, or Mel Gibson movie STRICTLY because of their political views. Short sighted and stupid? Yes. But people conflate actors and their roles all the time. Sad but true. 

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Great writer. Who's left at TBN now, Skurski? I wouldn't be surprised that the only reason Skurski hasn't moved on is because his wife has the morning anchor gig over on Channel 2.

 

Tim was another writer I reached out to when I was gathering info/feedback about starting a Bills-related blog. He responded and said he'd be more than happy to share some advice. I never got back to him because I bailed on the blog idea, but it was nice of him to take a minute to reply to me. And I've heard a lot of great things about the classes he taught. Talented guy. 

 

His Twitter behavior is almost all tongue-in-cheek. It was a little irritating at times as he seemed to engage with the trolls and lame-asses more than talking with any fans who had good questions/points. But whatever. I'm sure he'll land somewhere decent. 

 

I know guys like Sully and Bucky are more old-school so I wouldn't be surprised if they found another paper to write for. Tim, though, I think he probably follows after Tyler Dunne and ends up with an online outlet. That's just the way things are going.

 

Whoever TBN has in the pipeline to replace these guys are gonna get eaten alive by some of these fans lol.

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Regardless, this is sad.  It is the end of an era.  The Buffalo News is in its death throes.  This Sports Section has always been a large piece of my sports fan experience, back to when one Sabres column in July would be like water in a desert and I would read it 3 times.  The smell of the newspaper is burned in memory.  Paper routes, etc.  I also know various people who work there who are very worried about their own employment.

 

I know its changed.  I still read the columns in TBN when my attention was brought to it.  Sometimes I agreed, sometimes I didn't.  It was there though and we had coverage from a local media outlet.  Yes, they have been negative, but its tough to argue that they haven't been reflective of the perpetual state of these teams.  I recall many positive columns written in the Sabres' brief 'glory days' in the modern era October of '05 to May of '07. 

 

Graham would be tasked with digging deeper.  Whether its his work with Darryl Talley, or his deep-dive into Josh Allen.  I think he is an excellent writer and we are poorer if we lose him to a different city or national.  His radio show was also a great breath of air from WGR.  They would often have Bucky and Sully on and it wasnt a Sabres/Bills bash session.  They were very fair.  Also had Fairburn, Rodak, Wawrow, etc.  

 

These things were probably inevitable.  The Buffalo News has had backwards management that failed to adapt effectively in a changing world.  

 

 

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9 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

The Buffalo News is in its death throes. 

 

The BN isn't going anywhere soon.   The stable of writers who just left will be replaced with a younger, hungrier, more motivated (and yes, cheaper) new crew.   Every publication need to refresh its product periodically and I'm looking forward to what rolls out in the months ahead...  

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21 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That actually sucks. Tim was and is a very good sportswriter. People here conflate his twitter and TSW persona with his professional skills.

 

I read his work and respected it highly. However your twitter/social presence does have an effect on how your viewed etc.. Personally I could separate the two and at times agreed with TG at others disagreed. At the same point his tweets on Bennett when a charity event itself was being run certainly crossed a professional line for someone in his spot IMO. In today's climate and environment where outrage is everyone and your watched on your every move he may have crossed one too many lines on it. I actually think he is better off doing work outside of TBN he had great work before rejoining anyway.

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2 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

Except for readers conflating clickbait with quality. Make any topic into a “Top 5” list and it would get more views than Woodward and Bernstein breaking Watergate. 

Sad, but true.  We have a culture now where 'tl,dr' is considered an acceptable response and reaction to journalism, and a digital newspaper where the 'Smiles At' galleries are looked upon as news.

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So, this topic has run its course... It is hard to read the same inaccurate accounts over and over.

 

To summarize:

 

- The Buffalo News did not layoff Tim Graham in a cost savings measure. Tim left by his choice, with no payout.

- BN did not layoff John Vogl (he asked to leave) nor Jerry Sullivan (he was reassigned and then he asked to leave). 

- Given Tim's reaction to the news room departures, his unfortunate tweet regarding Vic (and later deletion), and his sudden departure - it is clear there was some behind the scenes acrimony.

- BN is hiring new people for these positions. Anywhere from 3-6 is what I understand. They may do well. They may fall flat on their faces. Time will tell. 

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