All NFL Contracts Should Be Performance Based ...

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

11 minutes ago, FappyTheClown said:

I thought Mario Williams was pretty productive in his second and third year with Buffalo. Maybe they overpaid for him but he wasn't a total waste, IMO.

He played hard when he thought it would make a difference.  When the game or season was lost he throttled back.  Given the chance of injury I cant say I blame him.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The NFLPA will never go for this nor should they.

 

Holding someone to a standard at work? Noooo... don't do that... LOL

 

Funny.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Teams are always looking for an edge to land the “big fish.” Even if most of the teams decided to only sign free agents to performance based contracts there would always be those outlier teams that didn’t and attracted the biggest free agents. 

 

'Hooks' put his finger on it.  The reason players receive huge guaranteed contracts is because teams offer them when bidding for the services of FA.

The only reason a player would accept a performance-based contract is if it benefited him - say, paid so much more than he could be offered anywhere else.  And then "anywhere else" would say "well, we'll offer your guy the same, but as straight salary, no performance incentives and down the road we go.

 

The other side to this is, it has been said to have happened that coaches have manipulated the snaps and plays to keep a player from reaching a milestone.  And even if a player has absolute trust that won't happen and a team is on the up-and-up and would never, football is such a team game.....if the OL sucks, the RB doesn't get as many yards etc.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Holding someone to a standard at work? Noooo... don't do that... LOL

 

Funny.

 

Get real! Playing in the NFL is unlike any other job with an average career span of just over 3 years.  It's a terrible idea and makes no sense with some players having limited snaps as backups. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Zebrastripes]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I will never understand people that worry about a billionaire's money.

I wonder if it has to do with the salary cap.  If there were no salary cap and owners could spend as much money as they wanted would people still care about this?  Or do they only care because of the cap.  If a team signs a slug to a big contract then that hurts their team for the long term.

[MJS]

I'd like to see a team offer a player a contract like that. You know what he'd do? Say "No way in hell!" and then go find another team that will pay him what he's worth.

 

Players get paid so much because of teams trying to outbid one another for them.

 

And by the way, the salary cap is so high because players get paid according to NFL revenue percentages. This means that the fans DEMAND that players make as much as they do.

 

The way it currently works is fine.

4 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said:

I wonder if it has to do with the salary cap.  If there were no salary cap and owners could spend as much money as they wanted would people still care about this?  Or do they only care because of the cap.  If a team signs a slug to a big contract then that hurts their team for the long term.

 

Fans from small market teams would then be crying for a salary cap because their team can't throw money around like the Cowboys in Dallas or Rams in LA.

[nedboy7]

14 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Holding someone to a standard at work? Noooo... don't do that... LOL

 

Funny.

 

There is a difference between how you handle your self and work as a player and how you perform on the field. So actually they are held to a standard.  As in showing up for work and studying and practicing. The job isn’t only how many balls you catch on the field.  No one is sleeping thru practice and just showing up to games. 

[Zebrastripes]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd like to see a team offer a player a contract like that. You know what he'd do? Say "No way in hell!" and then go find another team that will pay him what he's worth.

 

Players get paid so much because of teams trying to outbid one another for them.

 

And by the way, the salary cap is so high because players get paid according to NFL revenue percentages. This means that the fans DEMAND that players make as much as they do.

 

The way it currently works is fine.

 

Fans from small market teams would then be crying for a salary cap because their team can't throw money around like the Cowboys in Dallas or Rams in LA.

I completely agree with that.  I was just wondering if this is why people care about bad contracts.

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said:

I completely agree with that.  I was just wondering if this is why people care about bad contracts.

 

People just get attached to "their" team, I think.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

Yeah...just like workers who were knowing exposed to asbestos and miners with black lung and all the other work related stuff that happens to the typical American worker.  Or how about guys and gals in the military who givsle their lives for peanuts?

Im not saying the nfl doesnt come with risks but so do lots of American workers and they dont make millions.  

His point was, anyone can do those jobs. You know the risk but it is easy to get a job as a miner. It is not easy to get a job as an NFL player. That is why they aren’t compensated differently. 215 out of every 100,000 high school seniors make it to the NFL.  More than 215 of every 100,000 people that want to be a miner achieve that. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Sky Diver]

Caveat Emptor. Since we were stupid enough to give Dareus a big contract, it's on us.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, T master said:

Muhammad Wilkerson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Marcel Dareus, Mario Williams, the list goes on there are a ton of players that have gotten huge contracts & then seem to be content with just showing up & going through the motions then there are those that luck into the big contract like Fitz & then go back to being their old self & can't deliver, get cut & go on to collect 2 pay checks simultaneously, or remember Albert Haynesworth that dude just fell off the NFL planet & still got paid !!

 

Haven't these owners learned ? Why isn't there any clauses in these huge contracts that specify that the player has to reach certain goals or incentives before hitting a certain pay & if they don't then they don't get the big money that way the team is more so insured that they will get something in return rather than the scenario that happens in a lot of these big contract signings that don't pan out ! 

 

The player works their butt off to be the best they can be then they get the big contract (now with huge guarantees) & then they get complacent or the team (like the Fitz deal) jumps way to fast & think they have their guy of the future give them the big pay day & then the player just isn't the guy they thought he was going to be & get hung for all that cash then wind up paying out the contract when the dude is playing for another team ? 

 

In the world as we know it if you don't do your job up to the expectations put in place then you get let go & you don't still collect a pay check ! If you work for a company & do a great job for that company you get raises and are expected to continue to do that job at the high level that you have set for that position which is the reason you  earned the pay raise & if you don't continue that level of performance like in most jobs or in the military you get knocked down in rank or reprimanded with a loss of compensation in some way ! 

 

I get it in cases like Eric Woods situation, you play for a long time for a team sign a contract & while doing that job "Because of the job" you find out you have a medical condition that causes you to not be able to do that job then the team or company should have to pay out the contract .

 

Especially in a sports based contract if that player has set a high standard for their play & get paid as such they should have to live up to or at least be that above average contributor to continue to make that huge pay or have incentives built into their contracts to continue to have them over achieve to make the big money in that contract so they don't just show up like some have done & collect a paycheck !!

 

Or heck not even be there at all & collect 2 pay checks SIGN ME UP FOR THAT ONE !! ?

 

I'm sure this has been talked about in the past so sorry if i bore you with this but i read a article this morning that prompted these thoughts !! GO BILLS !! 

 

So should the opposite happen too?  Player pays better than his contract, he gets more money?

 

Pro sports doesn’t operate like most employers.  There’s many differences.

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So should the opposite happen too?  Player pays better than his contract, he gets more money?

 

Pro sports doesn’t operate like most employers.  There’s many differences.

The biggest difference is that your assets are your liabilities. 

[mjt328]

1.  If NFL Owners made the collective decision to only give out "incentive-based" contracts, the Players Union would call for an immediate strike.  They would also probably sue the league for unfair labor practices.  There is absolutely no way they could get away with it. 

 

2.  If individual team owners (let's say the Pegulas) made the decision to only give out "incentive-based" contracts, it would set them at a massive disadvantage in Free Agency.  Why would anyone re-sign or sign with the Bills?  They could easily get guaranteed money elsewhere.

 

 

The current system is fair.  Both the owners and players make ridiculous amounts of money (compared to the general working public), and the fans are happy enough to keep buying tickets and merchandise.  No reason for anyone to complain.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What a joke.  These guys are just pieces of meat to you, huh?  The most profitable league has the shortest careers.  These guy’s career can ended on one play and the owners just throw them away with no further money.  

 

These guys deserve every every cent they can get.  Also, people need to stop comparing their jobs with athletes.  Most of us are completely replaceable.  Sports is already a system that eliminates people who aren’t good enough.  It’s comlletely different than “normal” people’s jobs.

This. Too many injuries and career- (and life)threatening hits. These guys are if anything underpaid by US professional sports standards.

[JinxedBill1]

Read "The Art of the Deal" LMAO

[Sky Diver]

17 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Read "The Art of the Deal" LMAO

 

I’m waiting for the book “The Art of the Squeal”. A lot of people could write that one.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

Caveat Emptor. Since we were stupid enough to give Dareus a big contract, it's on us.

Diaries earned every penny of that contract after playing for free while earning Bama millions of dollars and being one of the best DTs in the nfl at the time.

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I will never understand people that worry about a billionaire's money.

Or take the billionaire’s side, who have stadiums publicly funded.

[Mat68]

They pretty much are.  The rare occurrence of mid 20 something former first or second rd pick or top 20 QB on the open market, they set the market for their position.  Mario was never the best DE in football.  Even with the Texans.  Early on they could see Jj Watt was a better player.  Now for what Buffalo was getting they got top 10 De numbers.  Expecting more than that, you were setting unrealistic expectations.  I would argue Fitz was given an appropriate contract.  If he was retained he takes one of those Marrone or Rex teams to the playoffs.  Besides being a first rounder or earning a second contract the other contracts are performance based.  Not sure what the OP is referring to?  

[BringBackOrton]

3 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

When Fitz got his contract, he didn't get lazy. He just wasn't that good to begin with!

I'm not sympathetic to the players cause (millionaires v. billionaires), but I think the league is going to move to guaranteed deals. 

Not feasible.

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

His point was, anyone can do those jobs. You know the risk but it is easy to get a job as a miner. It is not easy to get a job as an NFL player. That is why they aren’t compensated differently. 215 out of every 100,000 high school seniors make it to the NFL.  More than 215 of every 100,000 people that want to be a miner achieve that. 

I disagree (a little).  The bottoms of the rosters, say the bottom 15 or 20 guys, are basically UDFA/vet min replaceable.  3rd string OG's, DB's, LB's, RB's are dime a dozen.

Edited June 6, 2018 by BringBackOrton