The media vs Josh Allen (QB First Impressions article)

[Elite Poster]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Nothing at all different than what we have read from other sources who have been at the open OTA sessions in the past two weeks. 

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

Round 1, No. 7 overall

Allen has practiced exclusively with the third team through the first two weeks of OTAs, behind AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman on the depth chart. It has been a mixed bag so far for Allen, who was inaccurate on his first pass and later telegraphed an interception to cornerback Breon Borders during the two-minute drill in Thursday's practice. Coaches gave Allen another shot at the drill, and he marched downfield and lofted an accurate fade pattern to wide receiver Cam Phillips for a touchdown. Allen's off-the-charts arm strength has been evident in the velocity of the passes he has thrown; the accuracy seems to be a work in progress. -- Mike Rodak

 

Wait, really? This whole thread over THIS paragraph. What was written here that was not said by anyone else reporting? Everyone LOVES Sal and this is exactly what he said after last Thursdays practice.

 

I said this a few days ago but man when did we get so sensitive? 

[BB@Shooter]

9 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Are you under the impression that the media is supposed to adopt a cheerleader role when it comes to reporting on athletes and/or teams?  

 

That's what fans do, not the media.

 

I ask because it is obvious that many at this board seem to think this way.

 

 

 

No, but not be biased against the team either. And maybe try and come up with some original reporting instead of repeating each other over and over. The media in general are lazy,  . They don't care if their story is correct, and mostly care about who they can get to click on their site so theey can get more readership and picked up by bigger media outlets. Too often they only care about being first, not about content or if it is accurate. It used to be the media didn't report the "news" until they had their sources verified. Nowadays sources could be someone walking by in a Bills cap.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

Wait, really? This whole thread over THIS paragraph. What was written here that was not said by anyone else reporting? Everyone LOVES Sal and this is exactly what he said after last Thursdays practice.

 

I said this a few days ago but man when did we get so sensitive? 

 

Yeah. I don't get the reaction to this as it is essentially the same thing that was reported by several others who have been eyewitnesses.   

[CarpetCrawler]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

End of the day he could be a bust like experts said,  now Josh Rosen who experts said was ready to start and played against higher level of competition is getting rave reviews.  The Bills love that arm though.

I think they loved the brain as much if not more.

[Scorp83]

11 hours ago, BB@Shooter said:

Why is it the media has a love /hate relationship with Josh Allen? I just got done reading an ESPN article on how all the quarterbacks drafted this year are doing. ESPN used Rodak and his insight on how Allen is doing. It was by far one of the more negative pieces done for the article. Mayfield and Darnold ended up sounding like they were having less struggles than Allen was even though more negative reports have been coming out of their camps. They had their home town media covering for them towards the end of the article .

 

The Rodak did Allen no favors in my opinion other than commenting on his athleticism, arm, and running ability. I really don't think he is in Allens corner when it comes to his consistency with his passes. He nitpicks in most of his reporting about Allens miscues. Trying to convince his readers Allen is much worse than any of the Big 5 quarterbacks drafted. After taking in all of what the different Bills "media" are writing, I feel there is a misconception and agenda going on. I think a lot of the so called media are lazy and don't even attempt to do research for themselves. They repeat whatever they think will help get fans to log onto their tweets or articles, so that in some way it is justifying that they are actual media. Which in a lot of cases I feel it is a longshot.

 

And then the fans get put into the position of arguing for , or against Allen. It is like the media gets a perverse feeling out of splitting the fanbase. Even though it can't be healthy for the organization. Sorry about the long post.

Because the other QB's are going against  much stiffer competition then Allen...& he's with the 3rd string... but hey if you people want them to lie to you...then go ahead & be upset. From what I heard...Allen has been up & down according to Sal. "Up & Down" against the 3rd string...let that sink in...

Edited June 3, 2018 by Scorp83
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[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

No, but not be biased against the team either. And maybe try and come up with some original reporting instead of repeating each other over and over. The media in general are lazy,  . They don't care if their story is correct, and mostly care about who they can get to click on their site so theey can get more readership and picked up by bigger media outlets. Too often they only care about being first, not about content or if it is accurate. It used to be the media didn't report the "news" until they had their sources verified. Nowadays sources could be someone walking by in a Bills cap.

 

It seems to me you just answered your own question.

The majority of OTA's have not been reported on by the media.

We (the fans) and the press will just have to wait to see how Josh Allen plays when he plays.

FWIW

[Bangarang]

20 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

No, but not be biased against the team either. And maybe try and come up with some original reporting instead of repeating each other over and over. The media in general are lazy,  . They don't care if their story is correct, and mostly care about who they can get to click on their site so theey can get more readership and picked up by bigger media outlets. Too often they only care about being first, not about content or if it is accurate. It used to be the media didn't report the "news" until they had their sources verified. Nowadays sources could be someone walking by in a Bills cap.

 

Maybe they aren’t biased. Maybe, just maybe, if several reporters are saying the same thing then that’s what happened? Would you be bashing the media and calling them biased if they all reported what you wanted to hear? Probably not.

[FearLess Price]

It wasnt that negative after reading it and the others. It seems darnold is the one being pushed the most to start the earliest with the amount of reps hes getting. Rosen is as advertised. So is JA we all knew he was raw and needed time to settle his accuracy and footwork issues. Nothing new here. This is why some of us were pissed when we passed on Rosen. Allen might have a higher celeing but his floor is also much lower than Rosens, hes truly boom or bust. Lets hope for the positive.

[Jpsredemption]

So we draft a QB who struggled against inferior competition in college and then is inconsistent against 3rd teamers in OTAS but the media should be annointing him the next Jim Kelly?

[artmalibu]

Both Darnald and Mayfield were off the board before Buffalo picked, maybe Allen was the Bills third choice.  We will never know....

The only thing we do know is the bills liked Allen better than Rosen or anyone else.  Cant say I blame them.  Anyone who wants to throw shade on Allen should watch his senior bowl performance.  I didnt see him making many bad passes.  

 

As far as him with the 3rd team that is smart, why rush his development?  Why put unneeded pressure on him? He was not drafted to be the shot term answer.  They should make sure he is only in position to succeed.  The Offence is a work in progress with new systems being installed with at least 2 new starting on the O linemen and a WR core that is not solidified. 

 

At this point the only thing we really know about Allen is he has off the charts measurables, arm strength, and good athleticism.  Paired with high intelligence, strong work ethics  and does not quit when thing arnt going his way.  

 

As far as his accuracy problems that all seemed to be linked to his college completion percentage of 56.2% think about this:

Jim Kelly 55.6%

Dan Marino 57.6%

Brett Favre 52.4%

And these three guys are in the Hall of Fame

 

Brett Favre started 0 games his rookie year

Jim kelly developed by stared his first 3 years in a second rate start up league prior to going to the NFL

Dan Marino did not start till week 6 of his rookie year after being a backup to a no name starter.  

 

The media should get off Allens ass and wait for things to play out before shooting off their mouths.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Both Darnald and Mayfield were off the board before Buffalo picked, maybe Allen was the Bills third choice.  We will never know....

The only thing we do know is the bills liked Allen better than Rosen or anyone else.  Cant say I blame them.  Anyone who wants to throw shade on Allen should watch his senior bowl performance.  I didnt see him making many bad passes.  

 

As far as him with the 3rd team that is smart, why rush his development?  Why put unneeded pressure on him? He was not drafted to be the shot term answer.  They should make sure he is only in position to succeed.  The Offence is a work in progress with new systems being installed with at least 2 new starting on the O linemen and a WR core that is not solidified. 

 

At this point the only thing we really know about Allen is he has off the charts measurables, arm strength, and good athleticism.  Paired with high intelligence, strong work ethics  and does not quit when thing arnt going his way.  

 

As far as his accuracy problems that all seemed to be linked to his college completion percentage of 56.2% think about this:

Jim Kelly 55.6%

Dan Marino 57.6%

Brett Favre 52.4%

And these three guys are in the Hall of Fame

 

Brett Favre started 0 games his rookie year

Jim kelly developed by stared his first 3 years in a second rate start up league prior to going to the NFL

Dan Marino did not start till week 6 of his rookie year after being a backup to a no name starter.  

 

The media should get off Allens ass and wait for things to play out before shooting off their mouths.  

 

This is puzzling.  How exactly is this the case?

[John from Riverside]

I take no stock in anything Rodent says

 

But even then

 

Darnold keeps fumbling snaps at practice....this has been reported

 

Mayfield threw THREE interceptions his first practice.....this has been reported

[US Egg]

 For those hung up on college QB completion %, here's the names and completion rate of the top 250 since 1956.

 

 https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-cmp-pct-player-career.html

 

The amount of all time NFL QB greats not on the list is amazing.

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Ifartalot

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

3 hours ago, #standingbuffalo said:

I think they loved the brain as much if not more.

Yes, and they also love 

a) the work ethic

b) the humble attitude and

c) the laser focus on football.

 

He is McDermott's dream pupil: huge upside, team player, smart, listens, ready to learn.

 

Rosen: ready now but plays for self, smart but doesnt listen, thinks he knows it all.  McDermott would have strangled Rosen before the end of OTAs, with cameras rolling.  Would have been bad.

 

Was Allen best QB in the draft?  Well, he was best QB for McDermott and the Bills.

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I take no stock in anything Rodent says

 

But even then

 

Darnold keeps fumbling snaps at practice....this has been reported

 

Mayfield threw THREE interceptions his first practice.....this has been reported

Yet Allen is having worse workouts for some reason. Not flat out being said, but certainly implied in my opinion. And people keep bringing up Allen running the 3rd team. So he should do better because he is working with new guys who won't make him look better or know their routes better? Yes he is going against lesser competition,  but he is also competing with lesser competition.  So you can't compare him to other qbs. In Rookie camp he didn't even get to take the first snaps. A free agent did. The Bills are making sure that Allen and everyone else knows he has to earn his way up. But the camp against Allen doesn't bring any of this into the equation. I will be the 1st person to say I am biased. But all these posters who aren't in Allens corner will use every bit of ammo to further their agenda. That is a fact. I love how they always put an asterisk in saying how they want him to do well. Then post any hint they can that he is going to be a flop. That is a true Bill fan for you. Fans like that, who needs trolls. How come none of the media are bring up as little as possible about the other two qbs on the team? I think we would hear if they were blowing everyone out of the water. You guys act like Sal is a god, it makes me laugh. Media people are not real high on my list. They get street cred by trying to make people look bad,    or take quotes out of context on purose to make a story swing their way. Not a fan whether it is good or bad about my guy.  I just want the real story. I don't need someone to pump up a player or team, just report the facts. Something the media knows little about.

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is puzzling.  How exactly is this the case?

I love it that they drafted Allen. It is like McDermott crapped in a lot of guys Wheaties that day. A little advice for you boys and girls, get used to it because Allen will be the man regardless of your stats and the media stirring the pot. I am eating it up.

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Yet Allen is having worse workouts for some reason. Not flat out being said, but certainly implied in my opinion. And people keep bringing up Allen running the 3rd team. So he should do better because he is working with new guys who won't make him look better or know their routes better? Yes he is going against lesser competition,  but he is also competing with lesser competition.  So you can't compare him to other qbs. In Rookie camp he didn't even get to take the first snaps. A free agent did. The Bills are making sure that Allen and everyone else knows he has to earn his way up. But the camp against Allen doesn't bring any of this into the equation. I will be the 1st person to say I am biased. But all these posters who aren't in Allens corner will use every bit of ammo to further their agenda. That is a fact. I love how they always put an asterisk in saying how they want him to do well. Then post any hint they can that he is going to be a flop. That is a true Bill fan for you. Fans like that, who needs trolls. How come none of the media are bring up as little as possible about the other two qbs on the team? I think we would hear if they were blowing everyone out of the water. You guys act like Sal is a god, it makes me laugh. Media people are not real high on my list. They get street cred by trying to make people look bad,    or take quotes out of context on purose to make a story swing their way. Not a fan whether it is good or bad about my guy.  I just want the real story. I don't need someone to pump up a player or team, just report the facts. Something the media knows little about.

I love it that they drafted Allen. It is like McDermott crapped in a lot of guys Wheaties that day. A little advice for you boys and girls, get used to it because Allen will be the man regardless of your stats and the media stirring the pot. I am eating it up.

 

You are paranoid and this thread proves it with your overreaction to what Rodak posted based on his observations that line up with what others reported.  Get a grip and we all know Allen is going to be the QB eventually so you're not exactly breaking news here. 

[Delete This Account]

13 hours ago, BB@Shooter said:

Why is it the media has a love /hate relationship with Josh Allen? I just got done reading an ESPN article on how all the quarterbacks drafted this year are doing. ESPN used Rodak and his insight on how Allen is doing. It was by far one of the more negative pieces done for the article. Mayfield and Darnold ended up sounding like they were having less struggles than Allen was even though more negative reports have been coming out of their camps. They had their home town media covering for them towards the end of the article .

 

The Rodak did Allen no favors in my opinion other than commenting on his athleticism, arm, and running ability. I really don't think he is in Allens corner when it comes to his consistency with his passes. He nitpicks in most of his reporting about Allens miscues. Trying to convince his readers Allen is much worse than any of the Big 5 quarterbacks drafted. After taking in all of what the different Bills "media" are writing, I feel there is a misconception and agenda going on. I think a lot of the so called media are lazy and don't even attempt to do research for themselves. They repeat whatever they think will help get fans to log onto their tweets or articles, so that in some way it is justifying that they are actual media. Which in a lot of cases I feel it is a longshot.

 

And then the fans get put into the position of arguing for , or against Allen. It is like the media gets a perverse feeling out of splitting the fanbase. Even though it can't be healthy for the organization. Sorry about the long post.

 

 

what in god's name are you blabbering on about.

you refer to one outlet and then accuse all media of some conspiracy.

 

who's repeating what? i've referred to Allen's practices in two of my stories. and they were in the middle of the stories, not on top.

i reported what i saw.

 

i'm not even sure why i'm responding to this in the first place.

 

sorry about the long post.

 

jw

 

8 hours ago, Midwest1981 said:

If this is the ESPN article referenced, this doesn’t strike me as anymore anti-Allen than any of his other fellow 1st-round QB’s. Rosen’s is by far the most glowing and tne

others’ more mixed, with Allen’s arguably implying a tiny bit more optimism than them:

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23659740/rookie-quarterback-progress-reports-first-impressions-13-qbs-drafted-2018

 

waitasecond, you're actually asking us to read the article in question, which the original poster failed to link.

c'mon. doing means people have to make up their own minds in regards to the OP's take, rather than taking the OP as being perfectly accurate in his misguided rant.

 

spoilsport.

 

jw

 

and this is my true complaint about how the some of the time "the media" gets a bad name.

someone goes off with his own agenda by accusing the media of having an agenda.

and rather than people making up their own mind, they simply believe what they heard/saw/read last.

 

be better, folks.

Edited June 3, 2018 by john wawrow

[artmalibu]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is puzzling.  How exactly is this the case?

 

Puzzling?  Let the prospect prove himself or not.  I have seen a lot of the media down on the guy would has yet to have a chance to play.  And he is not the first guy not the starter the day after the draft.  

59 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

Yes, and they also love 

a) the work ethic

b) the humble attitude and

c) the laser focus on football.

 

He is McDermott's dream pupil: huge upside, team player, smart, listens, ready to learn.

 

Rosen: ready now but plays for self, smart but doesnt listen, thinks he knows it all.  McDermott would have strangled Rosen before the end of OTAs, with cameras rolling.  Would have been bad.

 

Was Allen best QB in the draft?  Well, he was best QB for McDermott and the Bills.

 

We have no clue who McDermott liked best 2 guys were already off the board.  Maybe he liked them better?

Rosen score 10 points less on the test than Allen.  Not to mention the 2 concussions he had last year, that could raise a concern.   

[The Red King]

Rodak hates the Bills, even moreso now that they made him look like an absolute fool last season after a preseason article of his where after big trades he stated "The Bills season is over before it started."

 

So, in cases like this, consider the source.  In Rodak's case the source is a blathering idiot with a strong bias against the Bills and a new chip on his shoulders after the Bills exposed him as such last season by ending the drought.  Over before it started indeed.  Tool.

Edited June 3, 2018 by The Red King

[BigDingus]

I hate Rodak, but he hasn't said a single thing that has come across as unfair about Allen.

There are a LOT of problems with Allen's game right now, and we all knew this going into the draft. To pretend like it's the media's fault for not glossing over that is ridiculous. He's got great tools, but he's not a great player yet....wasn't even a great college player.

To expect him to be covered as such, or have his flaws sugar coated for Bills fans to get all warm & fuzzy about is just pointless. Wait until he actually becomes a decent NFL player before expecting favorable coverage.