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Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

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15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

And that's an entirely valid consideration. 

 

My point is just that I'm tired of hearing low-yardage passing games thrown out as though they're infallable metrics of a QB's NFL quality.

One can not look at a single-season performance of a QB with <100 yd and <200 yd passing games and say "this guy sucks, he doesn't belong on an NFL team".  Or at least, if one did, one would be kicking a number of very high quality NFL QB off the roster.

Oh I agree.  

 

Remember 300 - the meme that wouldn’t end 

 

that all started because I said I’d like to see Tyrod pass for 300 yards more than a few times a season.  

 

Then his fans fans started in with his “great” stats. 

 

As you know - a game is is more than stats.  

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Foles would have come here.  I think he wanted to play for someone in the Reid coaching tree.

 

We could have gone after Keenum, but does anyone think Keenum would have had the year he had in Minnesota under Dennison instead of Shurmer, and throwing to Thompson and Jones instead of Theilen and Diggs? I know I don't.

Which supports my post that with the question marks of FA QB’s at the time McDermott kept Tyrod because he was the safer bet. 

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42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

first I'll say I understand your point, so im not arguing that...Brees was the wrong guy to go with..he hasnt had under 4000 yards since 2006 and 5 of those years he had over 5000 yards...2 or 3 games here or there under 200 yards wasnt going to raise the fans ire ..Taylor has barely cracked 3000 yards the past 3 years...Im in the middle of the Taylor haters and lovers...I liked Taylor but I still saw we needed more from the QB position then he gave

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I don’t understand how anyone saw him play the last 2 years and thinks he should be on the team with the cap hit he had. He’s everything you want in a backup but he was getting paid starter money. 

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If the Browns management lets Taylor play, given the quality of talent around him, he will probably get Cleveland into the playoffs this season. 

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Like John said 

 

One needs to see progression not regression in his 3rd year as a starter 

 

3 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

If the Browns management lets Taylor play, given the quality of talent around him, he will probably get Cleveland into the playoffs this season. 

1-31.   

 

Playoffs?  Playoffs???!!!

 

LOL

 

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53 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

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When I opened the article I expected to have the same reaction. Turns out the title is click bait.  Taylor gave thoughtful replies, but the editors at TBN decided that they needed to take the low road in an effort to boost their numbers.

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1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Delusional 

 

Benched for poor play leaving us with Peterman 

 

130 yard easily winnable playoff game 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go teddy!   Funny how he got to the playoffs and you still can’t be grateful.  No playoff game is easily winnable. Shows how much you don’t know. 

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Like John said 

 

One needs to see progression not regression in his 3rd year as a starter 

 

1-31.   

 

Playoffs?  Playoffs???!!!

 

LOL

 

 

Yeah. You know like the bills last season.  

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1 minute ago, Zebrastripes said:

Biggest difference here is tyrod had 3 years and regressed over them 3 years.  He was afraid to make throws or just didnt see open guys.  I should have led with that.  Brees improved from one year to the next.  If brees continued the ame path as the year you stayed he would have been out of the league but he didn't he improved where as tyrod did not improve.

 

Ah, ok, so now we're into what we see on the field when he throws or doesn't throw.  I'm all on board with that as a metric.

 

(in his 3rd year in the league, Brees was held to have regressed, as seen by the metric you cited - he had no games under 100 yds his previous year, his 1st as a starter)

20 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

first I'll say I understand your point, so im not arguing that...Brees was the wrong guy to go with..he hasnt had under 4000 yards since 2006 and 5 of those years he had over 5000 yards...2 or 3 games here or there under 200 yards wasnt going to raise the fans ire ..Taylor has barely cracked 3000 yards the past 3 years...Im in the middle of the Taylor haters and lovers...I liked Taylor but I still saw we needed more from the QB position then he gave

 

Brees was the guy I chose for precise reasons.  Between his 2nd and 3rd years in the league (1st and 2nd years starting) he hit all the marks the OP cited as "doesn't belong on an NFL team".  In fact, San Diego believed he probably couldn't play in the league, which is why they drafted a QB in the 1st after that season.  It wasn't a case of "a few games here and there not raising the fans ire", it was a case of expecting him to progress, but seeing him regress and having a consistently BAD season, a 2108 yd season.  In San Diego, Brees was NOT that 4000 yd passing QB.  He averaged 205, 192, and 210 ypg (the 210 ypg was his "comeback player of the year" pro bowl season).

 

I have no argument that we needed more from the QB position than Taylor was showing us and it was time to move on. 

 

My point is that people say all kinds of pretty silly stuff to justify it, stuff that's not bourne out by looking at the initial 3 years of starting for a number of now legendary QB.  And it wouldn't shock me if under Haley, Taylor showed a  jump - though I don't think Mayfield is going to sit politely on the bench behind him.  That is going to be an "interesting" QB room.

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10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Yeah. You know like the bills last season.  

1-31 is a far cry from 16-16.  

The Bills have been close for the 2 prior seasons and they were almost as close before TT. 

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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah, ok, so now we're into what we see on the field when he throws or doesn't throw.  I'm all on board with that as a metric.

 

(in his 3rd year in the league, Brees was held to have regressed, as seen by the metric you cited - he had no games under 100 yds his previous year, his 1st as a starter)

 

Brees was the guy I chose for precise reasons.  Between his 2nd and 3rd years in the league (1st and 2nd years starting) he hit all the marks the OP cited as "doesn't belong on an NFL team".  In fact, San Diego believed he probably couldn't play in the league, which is why they drafted a QB in the 1st after that season.  It wasn't a case of "a few games here and there not raising the fans ire", it was a case of expecting him to progress, but seeing him regress and having a consistently BAD season, a 2108 yd season.  In San Diego, Brees was NOT that 4000 yd passing QB.  He averaged 205, 192, and 210 ypg (the 210 ypg was his "comeback player of the year" pro bowl season).

 

I have no argument that we needed more from the QB position than Taylor was showing us and it was time to move on. 

 

My point is that people say all kinds of pretty silly stuff to justify it, stuff that's not bourne out by looking at the initial 3 years of starting for a number of now legendary QB.  And it wouldn't shock me if under Haley, Taylor showed a  jump - though I don't think Mayfield is going to sit politely on the bench behind him.  That is going to be an "interesting" QB room.

ah yea ok..I wasnt thinking about his time in SD..makes sense now :)

 

I do remember that i wanted Brees when he was being shopped around or cut  or whatever happened, I forget...just remember wanting him to be a Bill

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23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ah, ok, so now we're into what we see on the field when he throws or doesn't throw.  I'm all on board with that as a metric.

 

(in his 3rd year in the league, Brees was held to have regressed, as seen by the metric you cited - he had no games under 100 yds his previous year, his 1st as a starter)

Look at brees' 3rd year as a starter not his 3rd year in the league.  If you want to argue years in the league tyrod has regressed over years 5 through 7 where as Brees was on a steady increase in production from his 3rd year and beyond.  Tyrod has gone backwards since year one as a starter Brees has not.  How many qbs still make it on a NFL roster after a decrease in production for 3 straight years with already being average at best?

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This threads going 7 pages. Easy.

At least theres news today. Im not complaining.

 

 

As for OP. Tyrod did enough to stay but theres too much bad blood with the benching and too much controversy potential in a tt vs allen camp battle. The team respected Tyrod they played harder for him in that San Diego game it was obvious. That type of attitude from the team wouldnt work with what were trying to do with a franchise qb. He had to go for us to grow as a team. Its that simple. And Tyrods my dog. I hope he steps his game up big time this year or next no matter what team he lands on except for the pats or fish. This year is crucial for Tyrod,  its either gonna make or break him. Its his contract year and hes going up against the afc north who have always had his number, and hes got a #1 QB drooling at the starting position right on his coat tails. The CoT has spoken. Pastor McFly in the building. Amen

 

And yes im still down with OPP.

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4 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

As for OP. Tyrod did enough to stay but theres too much bad blood with the benching and too much controversy potential in a tt vs allen camp battle. The team respected Tyrod they played harder for him in that San Diego game it was obvious. That type of attitude from the team wouldnt work with what were trying to do with a franchise qb. He had to go for us to grow as a team. Its that simple.

 

I think you're spot on here.  If Taylor were benched and the rookie struggled, and the team supported Taylor, that would be divisive as heck in the locker room

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Foles would have come here.  I think he wanted to play for someone in the Reid coaching tree.

 

We could have gone after Keenum, but does anyone think Keenum would have had the year he had in Minnesota under Dennison instead of Shurmer, and throwing to Thompson and Jones instead of Theilen and Diggs? I know I don't.

McDermott is in the Reid coaching tree.  Beane, too, I think.  

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20 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

ah yea ok..I wasnt thinking about his time in SD..makes sense now :)

 

I do remember that i wanted Brees when he was being shopped around or cut  or whatever happened, I forget...just remember wanting him to be a Bill

 

I’m just glad the Dolphins doctors passed on him. Can you IMAGINE? Brady AND Brees in division for that many years? Just the thought makes me queezy......

 

(I’m think he had a questionable labrum, BTW) 

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38 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Here we go teddy!   Funny how he got to the playoffs and you still can’t be grateful.  No playoff game is easily winnable. Shows how much you don’t know 

 

Scoring 10 points in 4 quarters is hard for an NFL team ? 

 

🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

 

😂😂😂

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m just glad the Dolphins doctors passed on him. Can you IMAGINE? Brady AND Brees in division for that many years? Just the thought makes me queezy......

 

(I’m think he had a questionable labrum, BTW) 

yea we would have been screwed, but at least maybe with both in AFCE the Pats*** wouldnt have won the AFCE title 100 years in a row...

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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you're spot on here.  If Taylor were benched and the rookie struggled, and the team supported Taylor, that would be divisive as heck in the locker room

 

Right. Thats bad for business. They invested enough draft capital in JA  to give him the best possible enviornment to flourish and having Tyrod here is counterproductive to that. 

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I think Tyrod liked it here. He liked his teammates. Everyone liked him as well. We gave him 3 years. After those 3 years you still saw the same limitations. One can argue that this past year he had absolutely no weapons. Watkins traded, Woods and Goodwin leave via FA, then the guys we had either underachieved or missed multiple games due to injury. But when watching Tyrod play, you still see the same limitations no matter who is on the field. Great guy, high character, hard worker, great teammate, and gave it his all on the field. He just isn't that Franchise QB we have needed. He hasn't shown in those 3 years the ability to carry a team with his arm. Even now, in this statement, I don't see this as him whining or complaining. I think it is just him expressing his thoughts. Best of luck to Tyrod in Cleveland, except if they ever face us. :thumbsup:

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6 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

yea we would have been screwed, but at least maybe with both in AFCE the Pats*** wouldnt have won the AFCE title 100 years in a row...

 

I know it FEELS like 100 years, but I don’t think it’s been much more than 50. 

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9 minutes ago, Augie said:

I’m just glad the Dolphins doctors passed on him. Can you IMAGINE? Brady AND Brees in division for that many years? Just the thought makes me queezy......

(I’m think he had a questionable labrum, BTW) 

 

Correct on the labrum.  Also rotator cuff.  Nothing questionable about it, it was unquestionably torn and in addition to surgical repair, Brees required treatment to regain muscle movement.

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Posted (edited)

I've said it before and I was a TT supporter. Three points on offense in three different games.:death: (That is also the reason Rico is gone)

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

 

Was that his rookie season? I’m sure if Brees put up those stat lines in year seven lots of people would want to ship him out of town.

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40 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

ah yea ok..I wasnt thinking about his time in SD..makes sense now :)

 

I do remember that i wanted Brees when he was being shopped around or cut  or whatever happened, I forget...just remember wanting him to be a Bill

 

Yeah.  If only.....but the Bills had just drafted JP Losman, our team K-Mart Blue Light Special.  (Neither.  Brees was a FA and was offered a contract by SD, but NO offered more)

4 minutes ago, billspro said:

Was that his rookie season? I’m sure if Brees put up those stat lines in year seven lots of people would want to ship him out of town.

 

Third season in the NFL, 2nd as a starter.  And lots of people did want to ship him out of town, including the SD FO who drafted a QB in the 1st that year.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Foles would have come here.  I think he wanted to play for someone in the Reid coaching tree.

 

We could have gone after Keenum, but does anyone think Keenum would have had the year he had in Minnesota under Dennison instead of Shurmer, and throwing to Thompson and Jones instead of Theilen and Diggs? I know I don't.

Our coach does come from the Andy Reid coaching tree.

 

You are right though, I think the only situation he can possibly be successful in is where he is right now. That Eagles team is totally loaded, and coached up to the n'th degree so much so that even E.J Manuel would look like an All Pro running that offense.

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