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8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I think we should talk to the Jets about Bridgewater as I don’t buy that Peterman will work out and he would be an upgrade for depth, but I seriously doubt the Jets would shop him to a division rival.

 

He could if they did go for it would be an upgrade and compete with McCarren for the starting role.  If he gets hurt again we can always move Peterman back up from the practice squad.  He still new enough would qualify for the practice squad.

 

lets face it Allen needs to sit for a year.

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5 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Peterman would get snatch up in a hurry if they tried to PS him.

 

Yes every team needs someone to throw balls to DBs. 

He would be "snatch up" in a hurry.  Sounds like a prostitute when you word it that way.

4 hours ago, mjt328 said:

I think most people are ignoring the "depth issues" on the Bills, because they are more concerned with the holes in the starting lineup.

 

Considering the Bills made the playoffs last year (when many thought they would be tanking), I'm certain my opinion will get a lot of backlash.


Well based on results I think many thoughts should be discounted.

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10 hours ago, Mickey said:

 

only worry about things I have no control over. The rest I know I'll get sorted out.

And yes, I do judge a book by its cover. There is no point to judging a book after I buy it and read it. That time and money is gone forever.

Of course I count my chickens before they are hatched. Then I count them again after they are hatched. Is inventory tracking so wrong?

I would totally buy the cow even if I can get its milk for free because, when I get tired of milk: steaks!

I confess, I do watch the pot until it boils. Watching pots does not effect boiling time and chef's like me need to know when its time to add the cheese powder.

I will not pay a penny for your thoughts...ever. But I am open to negotiations on what it will cost me for you not to share your thoughts.

I have never barked at any tree let alone the wrong tree. If you have, tree selection is not your only problem.

I do try never to cross a bridge until I come to it because, crossing it before you get to it is not possible under the current laws of physics.

I don't put my eggs in any basket because: egg cartons, duh. 

I does not take two to tango. I tango by myself all the time and, don't deny it, you do too.

It is my policy to always let the cat out of the bag because keeping cats in bags is just wrong.

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I would imagine if you went on other teams' sites their fans are worried about depth too.

With the salary cap and parody in the NFL almost all teams are slim on the bench.  Drafting is important!  When teams get a deep roster the draft is replenishing the starters and is the depth.  It’s rare and a handful of teams are able to be built this way!

 

Hopefully in two years we will be one of the handful of teams!

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2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Ive can add global warming, Zika, AI taking over the human race, asteroids hurtling through space toward earth and your kids college tuition. 

 

Youre welcome

 

ps- Russia

 

Well, if AI takes over, they may take over the NFL.  Then we could get Cyberball!

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19 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

I more concerned about our height.  This a 3D league now. 

Just imagine if it was a 4D league...we wouldn't even know how much time we should spend worrying about the other three dimensions. 

11 hours ago, Mickey said:

 

only worry about things I have no control over. The rest I know I'll get sorted out.

And yes, I do judge a book by its cover. There is no point to judging a book after I buy it and read it. That time and money is gone forever.

Of course I count my chickens before they are hatched. Then I count them again after they are hatched. Is inventory tracking so wrong?

I would totally buy the cow even if I can get its milk for free because, when I get tired of milk: steaks!

I confess, I do watch the pot until it boils. Watching pots does not effect boiling time and chef's like me need to know when its time to add the cheese powder.

I will not pay a penny for your thoughts...ever. But I am open to negotiations on what it will cost me for you not to share your thoughts.

I have never barked at any tree let alone the wrong tree. If you have, tree selection is not your only problem.

I do try never to cross a bridge until I come to it because, crossing it before you get to it is not possible under the current laws of physics.

I don't put my eggs in any basket because: egg cartons, duh. 

It does not take two to tango. I tango by myself all the time and, don't deny it, you do too.

It is my policy to always let the cat out of the bag because keeping cats in bags is just wrong.

 

 

 

 

And if internet pornography has taught us anything at all, a bird in the hand is never, ever equal to two in the bush. 

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 8:31 AM, MAJBobby said:

Yeah depth issues kind of happen when 

 

3.  You are in Cap Hell due to a couple reasons, ie bad contracts and you cleaning up those bad contracts  

 

$35M in Dead Money is gonna impact the quality of your depth.  Opens some opportunities for the younger less expensive players.  Here's hoping some of them take advantage and make a name for themselves.

 

CORRECTION - $46M with the release of EW.

 

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Release of EW changed Dead Money Number
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I'm not worried about depth.  Depth is about coaching, not players, and McDermott's system is a good system for developing depth.   Here's why:

 

Talented players, guys talented enough to play in the NFL or be among the last cut, are all out on the far right end of the bell curve.   There are a couple of things that are true about players at the end of the bell curve:

 

1.  The farther out the curve you go, the fewer players there are.

 

2.  The farther out the curve you go, the talent differences get larger.

 

Now, that's not true in every case, but on average, in most cases, it's true.   

 

What does that mean?   It means when MIchael Jordan is the best basketball player, he's farthest out on the bell curve, there aren't many guys in his vicinity, and the differences between Jordan and the guys near him are relatively big. 

 

What's important about that is not who's out there with Jordan.  What's important is the 300th best player in the NBA.   He's not way out there with Jordan, not close.   There are a lot of guys at the same place on the curve with him, and there's very little difference between them.   That is, the 300th player isn't that much better than the 310th player or that much worse than the 290th player.   They're all about the same - 20 guys, all about the same.   Are there differences?  Sure, but they aren't very big differences.  

 

When you're talking about depth, your talking about relatively small differences among players.   Take offensive tackles.   There are 64 starting offensive tackles in the league, and those 64 guys are probably in the top 75 or 80 of all offensive tackles in the league.   A few teams have a backup tackle who is better than some starters around the league, but not very many.   Most of the best tackles are playing somewhere.    

 

That means the backups generally fall between, say, the top 60 and the top 100 tackles in pro football, and the guys who got cut and are waiting to get a phone call are in the top 100 to 120.   Because the bell curve works the same way wherever you are on it, the differences between a guy who's the 75th best tackle and the guy who is the 100th best tackle aren't that great - about the same, probably as the difference between the best tackle and the 5th best tackle.   If you have the 5th best tackle, you don't care too much that you don't have the best.   If you have the 100th best tackle, you don't care too much that you don't have the 75th.   It's sounds odd, but it's statistically true.

 

So fretting about the talent the Bills have on the bench doesn't make that much sense to me.   The best you can expect to have is a guy who has started in the league but isn't starting now, like Ivory.   Most of your backups are going to be guys who haven't started, which means they're in among the 60th to 100th best player at the position, and any guy the Bills can get to replace him isn't going to be much different.  

 

What matters is coaching.   McDermott's "process" is designed to do what Belichick does - teach players with decent talent (backups) how to execute the position.   And that's why there's so much emphasis on character.   The difference between 75th best player and the 100th best player that matters the most is how hard the guy is going to work, how committed he is to getting every little detail right all the time, because it's THOSE characteristics that are going to make an average backup get the job done when the time comes.  

 

Austin Proehl is an example.   The guy presumably doesn't have stellar talent.   What he has is work ethic.   He's the kind of guy who will get the job done because he will practice everything until he can do it as well as he possibly can do it.   Belichick wanted Hogan for the same reason.   

 

I don't worry about backups.   If McDermott is doing his job, the backups will be okay.   I worry about the weakest starters, and I worry about the coaches who run the offense and the defense.   Those are the guys who matter. 

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4 hours ago, Manther said:

With the salary cap and parody in the NFL almost all teams are slim on the bench. 

 

The NFL does not have parody. It is not tolerated which is why it has become known as the No Fun League. Otherwise, celebrating a touchdown by pretending to film from behind the goalpost while using the ball as a prop would not draw any fines.

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25 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

The NFL does not have parody. It is not tolerated which is why it has become known as the No Fun League. Otherwise, celebrating a touchdown by pretending to film from behind the goalpost while using the ball as a prop would not draw any fines.

The NFL will have parody when Weird Al is the halftime act at the Super Bowl.

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17 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yes every team needs someone to throw balls to DBs. 

He would be "snatch up" in a hurry.  Sounds like a prostitute when you word it that way. 


Well based on results I think many thoughts should be discounted.

He still has potential and that is what teams look at.

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16 hours ago, Manther said:

With the salary cap and parody in the NFL almost all teams are slim on the bench.  Drafting is important!  When teams get a deep roster the draft is replenishing the starters and is the depth.  It’s rare and a handful of teams are able to be built this way!

 

Hopefully in two years we will be one of the handful of teams!

Ii agree that all teams are looking for depth.  I disagree that it's about player selection.  

 

Bench players are by definition marginal NFL players. Only occasionally does a team have a starter caliber guy on the bench.  

 

Teams that have good depth have good coaches who know how to get good play out of marginal players. 

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