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NYJ Trade Hackenberg to the Raiders for a Conditional 2019 7th Round Pick - Now Signed to the Bengals' Practice Squad

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4 hours ago, LaDexter said:

We have a thread about Christian Sack-of-@@@@enberg.... and EJ Manuel....

 

and we wonder why we haven't had a good QB since Jim....

 

“We”????  Get lost, Chefs fan. 

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On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said:

Conditional 7th round sounds like they might not get anything for him. 

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

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On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said:

lol. I hope he turns into a hall of famer for the raiders. 

 

just like EJ!

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8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

 

Welp then I guess Maccagnan owes McKensie

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8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Awhile back a poster mentioned that a friend who works in an NFL FO told him that sometimes teams will make a trade like this as a favor.  Team A trades a relatively highly drafted player who busted to Team B for a conditional pick.  Team B then cuts the player.  This is just a way to avoid the headline of the Jets cutting Hackenburg. 

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes

it was an article by Tony Pauline back in January and he was spot on 

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On 5/22/2018 at 4:35 PM, whatdrought said:

lol. I hope he turns into a hall of famer for the raiders. 

 

Is that the condition for the Jets to get that 7th?

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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Is that the condition for the Jets to get that 7th?

Judging from Jets front office (mis)management, they would forget about the compensatory pick by the time they were measuring for the jacket.

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15 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

I thought the knock on Hackenberg was he's dumb? Wasn't that his issue? He could not read defenses. Didn't he have a low wonderlic too?

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

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11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

I thought 'pocket presence' was what the creepy guy would try to entice the unknowing into checking his pants for.

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I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

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Just think:

 

Matt Leinart had a more productive career as a Buffalo Bill then Hackenberg did as an Oakland Raider.  At Least Leinart completed 2 passes and 3 to the Lions.

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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

 

To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out.  The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college.  

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Given draft position and expectations, I would guess that Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell would probably rank as a bigger bust than Hackenberg, who certainly cannot play.

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At least we're not the only team that has made huge mistakes on 2nd round picks.   

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44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair he was talked about as a possible number 1 pick two years before he came out.  The book was out on him by the time he appeared out of college.  

Even still someone wasted a 2nd on him. Other guys like Logan Thomas or Jevan Snead that were talked about as potential #1 overall picks plummeted. Jimmy Clausen is probably the best comparison in terms of draft status. Clausen has kicked around and had a few decent games. Hackenberg was picked 51st overall and has as many career attempts as I do. 

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2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's little correlation between wonderlic score and reading a defense.

 

Hackenberg's biggest flaw was his horrendous accuracy and poor pocket presence. 

I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses.

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17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unremarkable Wonderlic.  24.  Neither high nor WTF? low

Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs?

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20 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

I thought it was he's dumb. That he held the ball too long because he couldn't see the field. That he took Rob Johnson style sacks. I know he had the accuracy and pocket issues as well but I thought the reason many hated him was because he was dumb as rocks and couldn't read defenses.

I watched him at Penn State and he definitely couldn't read the field and make any kind of complex decision.  Glad the Jets thought so highly of him!

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7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Better than I thought. I thought it was in the teens. Isn't there an above 25 standard for QBs?

 

There's the "26-27-60" rule (26 on Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60% completion) but I'm not aware of it as a "standard" - just a rule of thumb frequently broken

 

I'm not sure the Wonderlic is a good predictor for QB success though. 

I thought I heard that Hackenberg's thing was struggling to read defenses on the field and react appropriately.

In theory, a guy could have a 40 Wonderlic and not be able to read a defense under time pressure.

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's the "26-27-60" rule (26 on Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60% completion) but I'm not aware of it as a "standard" - just a rule of thumb frequently broken

 

I'm not sure the Wonderlic is a good predictor for QB success though. 

I thought I heard that Hackenberg's thing was struggling to read defenses on the field and react appropriately.

In theory, a guy could have a 40 Wonderlic and not be able to read a defense under time pressure.

 

Jabustus Russell says Hi.

Russell is the only other guy I considered. He was picked #1 overall and was atrocious. At the same time he started 25 games, threw for 4,083 yards with 18 TDs. He was extremely bad. Hackenberg went mid-2nd round and has less pass attempts and TD passes than Dontari Poe. He has as many career passing yards as Stephen Hawking. I’m sticking with Sackenberg as the worst ever.

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Russell is the only other guy I considered. He was picked #1 overall and was atrocious. At the same time he started 25 games, threw for 4,083 yards with 18 TDs. He was extremely bad. Hackenberg went mid-2nd round and has less pass attempts and TD passes than Dontari Poe. He has as many career passing yards as Stephen Hawking. I’m sticking with Sackenberg as the worst ever.

you can never measure how hard a guy is willing to work once he gets millions of dollars.   Or how badly someone wants to be a winner not just cash a paycheck.   Russel had all the physical tools, just like Vince Young, just like Ryan Leaf, just like EJ Manuel, but the mental ability just wasn't there.   

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick would be a HOF QB if he had Brett Favre's arm.   

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36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's the "26-27-60" rule (26 on Wonderlic, 27 games started, 60% completion) but I'm not aware of it as a "standard" - just a rule of thumb frequently broken

 

I'm not sure the Wonderlic is a good predictor for QB success though. 

I thought I heard that Hackenberg's thing was struggling to read defenses on the field and react appropriately.

In theory, a guy could have a 40 Wonderlic and not be able to read a defense under time pressure.

 

Jabustus Russell says Hi.

I never heard the 26-27-60 rule.  I like it though it’s not gospel.  Would be cool to see a breakdown of this further.  Josh Allen was 37-25-56 for the record.  

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll go on record that Hackenberg is the worst QB ever. The combination of hype/draft position/success makes him the worst. Other guys may have failed more but never has a guy that was thought of so highly been so bad. He was talked about as a potential #1 overall pick and he couldn’t dress. 

He (and a certain poster here with a curse he puts on college qbs he likes) tried to blame his coach for his issues and then PSU won the Rose Biwl the next year with him.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2016/3/26/11307682/christian-hackenberg-james-franklin-penn-state-nfl-draft

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Even still someone wasted a 2nd on him. Other guys like Logan Thomas or Jevan Snead that were talked about as potential #1 overall picks plummeted. Jimmy Clausen is probably the best comparison in terms of draft status. Clausen has kicked around and had a few decent games. Hackenberg was picked 51st overall and has as many career attempts as I do. 

It’s crazy how often draft “experts” and nfl teams are so terribly wrong on qbs.  Yet so many people take their opinion as gospel.  

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Russell is the only other guy I considered. He was picked #1 overall and was atrocious. At the same time he started 25 games, threw for 4,083 yards with 18 TDs. He was extremely bad. Hackenberg went mid-2nd round and has less pass attempts and TD passes than Dontari Poe. He has as many career passing yards as Stephen Hawking. I’m sticking with Sackenberg as the worst ever.

You definitely make a great point about Sack never even getting in when the Jets were desperate to find a QB.   Not like there was any real competition keeping him on the bench.

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2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

You definitely make a great point about Sack never even getting in when the Jets were desperate to find a QB.   Not like there was any real competition keeping him on the bench.

That’s the crazy part. They took him early, were DESPERATE for a QB and he never even attempted a pass. That’s pretty nuts. He must be a special line of terrible.

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