RPbillsfan Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 This is the 2nd roster review, special teams will be the 3rd Installment. The Bills have drafted the QB of the future in Josh Allen, the question we all have is how soon that future will be. If training camp is a truly open competition then Josh stands a good chance of starting opening day in Baltimore. His physical skills are beyond reproach and he has the mental aptitude to learn the offensive quickly. Whether he can translate the skill set to the NFL level is the question we will only get answers too in the upcoming months before the opening game. if AJ is the clear cut winner then I feel we are in capable hands. He has solid targets in Benjamin and Clay, a developing talent in Zay Jones, and potential with Streeter and Holmes and rookies McDonald (special teams), Prohel (slot) and Foster as a potential deep threat plus others fighting to make the team. AJ in college showed the ability to both manage a game and throw the deep out patterns needed to open up defenses. O'Leary adds playmaking ability and solid blocking at back-up TE, Logan Thomas has another year to develop and Lee adds goalline blocking ability. The running back situation is outstanding, McCoy is still pro bowl caliber and is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield, Ivory greatly improves the running back depth and will get quality touches, lover Caderet as a 3rd down back and DiMarco is an outstanding blocker. That leaves us with the big question mark, the offensive line. Like Dawkins at LT, Mills grades are better then he looks, Newhouse and McDermott add depth. We do need a long term answer at C, Groy and Bodine will be serviceable this season, actually like where we are at with the G position, Miller should reemerge in a new scheme, Teller may displace Duchasse and if injuries occur, Groy can slide over to G and Bodine can play at C The 2018 offense will be a developing work in progress, not good enough to win games but I think can function to maybe 21 points a game and control the clock with far fewer three and outs. Your thoughts and feedback are always welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: This is the 2nd roster review, special teams will be the 3rd Installment. The Bills have drafted the QB of the future in Josh Allen, the question we all have is how soon that future will be. If training camp is a truly open competition then Josh stands a good chance of starting opening day in Baltimore. His physical skills are beyond reproach and he has the mental aptitude to learn the offensive quickly. Whether he can translate the skill set to the NFL level is the question we will only get answers too in the upcoming months before the opening game. if AJ is the clear cut winner then I feel we are in capable hands. He has solid targets in Benjamin and Clay, a developing talent in Zay Jones, and potential with Streeter and Holmes and rookies McDonald (special teams), Prohel (slot) and Foster as a potential deep threat plus others fighting to make the team. AJ in college showed the ability to both manage a game and throw the deep out patterns needed to open up defenses. O'Leary adds playmaking ability and solid blocking at back-up TE, Logan Thomas has another year to develop and Lee adds goalline blocking ability. The running back situation is outstanding, McCoy is still pro bowl caliber and is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield, Ivory greatly improves the running back depth and will get quality touches, lover Caderet as a 3rd down back and DiMarco is an outstanding blocker. That leaves us with the big question mark, the offensive line. Like Dawkins at LT, Mills grades are better then he looks, Newhouse and McDermott add depth. We do need a long term answer at C, Groy and Bodine will be serviceable this season, actually like where we are at with the G position, Miller should reemerge in a new scheme, Teller may displace Duchasse and if injuries occur, Groy can slide over to G and Bodine can play at C The 2018 offense will be a developing work in progress, not good enough to win games but I think can function to maybe 21 points a game and control the clock with far fewer three and outs. Your thoughts and feedback are always welcome The problem with the offensive roster is that these guys (outside Shady) don't have great NFL resumes. Not our QBs, not our OL, not our WRs. As far as that goes, our OC doesn't have a great NFL resume (as on OC) either. If past NFL production is the best predictor of future NFL productions, we're in trouble. But there are reasons to believe some of these guys are better than their NFL stat line may indicate. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: The problem with the offensive roster is that these guys (outside Shady) don't have great NFL resumes. Not our QBs, not our OL, not our WRs. As far as that goes, our OC doesn't have a great NFL resume (as on OC) either. If past NFL production is the best predictor of future NFL productions, we're in trouble. But there are reasons to believe some of these guys are better than their NFL stat line may indicate. Benjamin and Clay are very good NFL players. Clay is a top 15 TE and KB is a top 25 WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, billspro said: Benjamin and Clay are very good NFL players. Clay is a top 15 TE and KB is a top 25 WR. I think the offense is much better then what people are thinking. Really depends on how well the play is at QB position 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: Benjamin and Clay are very good NFL players. Clay is a top 15 TE and KB is a top 25 WR. top 25 is not saying much. I'm not even sure he's that. Antonio Brown Beckham Julio Jones Hopkins Allen Green Thomas Baldwin Hill Evans Gordon Cooper Hilton Jeffry Cooks Robinson Nelson Tate Watkins Sanders Edeleman D. Thomas Fitzgerald that's off the top of my head could prob put a couple others in there, but with that being said, he's not a real impact guy clay is really inconsistent prob wouldn't put him top 15 either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I’ll go out on a limb and post that I like the roster review for the defense better. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Not much of an OL, no QB, and no WRs to speak of. There is talet buried within Clay, but it's struggled to come out. Benjamin is not as good as most Bills fans seem to think he is. Great RB. Is the D good enough to win a lot of games 10-3? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Not much of an OL, no QB, and no WRs to speak of. There is talet buried within Clay, but it's struggled to come out. Benjamin is not as good as most Bills fans seem to think he is. Great RB. Is the D good enough to win a lot of games 10-3? ...do you seriously think that this is the modus operandi of this gang?....the doom and gloom of OL, QB and WR is quite presumptuous before anyone has taken the field...share your crystal bawls view or magic 8 ball prognostications before I purchase postage to "mail it in".......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 IMO, anybody involved in the passing game on offense is better now that the Browns took the Bills biggest offensive enigma off their hands. Like him or hate him, the past quarterback was inconsistent and unreliable. The Bills can only get better and every offensive player should produce better numbers because of the upgrade at quarterback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: top 25 is not saying much. I'm not even sure he's that. Antonio Brown Beckham Julio Jones Hopkins Allen Green Thomas Baldwin Hill Evans Gordon Cooper Hilton Jeffry Cooks Robinson Nelson Tate Watkins Sanders Edeleman D. Thomas Fitzgerald that's off the top of my head could prob put a couple others in there, but with that being said, he's not a real impact guy clay is really inconsistent prob wouldn't put him top 15 either This list is likely true, however the one thing we have no way of knowing yet is how much did TT make these guys look worse than they are. Between not throwing to WR/TE and when he did throw often not very accurately, who knows how productive they may be with a good QB, and not saying AJ is that guy either as we just don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: This list is likely true, however the one thing we have no way of knowing yet is how much did TT make these guys look worse than they are. Between not throwing to WR/TE and when he did throw often not very accurately, who knows how productive they may be with a good QB, and not saying AJ is that guy either as we just don't know. Agreed Kb isn't very good though. His knees are most likely shot. Zay could be good, but as of now he couldn't catch a cold in Siberia. The rest are unknowns, but most likely subpar. I'm trying to be optimistic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: This list is likely true, however the one thing we have no way of knowing yet is how much did TT make these guys look worse than they are. Between not throwing to WR/TE and when he did throw often not very accurately, who knows how productive they may be with a good QB, and not saying AJ is that guy either as we just don't know. It's so hard to estimate 2018 offensive production based on so many changes in personnel, change of offensive coordinators and the implemention of a new scheme. Have to think the offensive line will be more to the strengths of the current players on hand and adding youth and better athletic talent should mostly offset the losses of Wood and Incognito. I don't even factor Cordy Glenn into the line losses as he was already replaced by Dawkins. Lets see what a health Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones bring to the WR group and hope that we can find in Streeter, Holmes, McDonald, Prohel, Kelley, and Foster, two more useful pieces. Thinking the TE group will be better with more experience and we should be better at RB. Hoping for more time of possession and keeping turnovers low, I expect we will have more passes intercepted but less sacks and a higher completion rate and yards per attempt. This team can win 10 games if it plays complimentary football regardless of the challenges of the schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 i'm just gonna say that all but the rookie wrs have been in the nfl before coming to buffalo. consider this....if our wrs from last year had spent the year...or even the last 2 with a competent qb, would we still be looking at those individuals as lacking in talent or would a good qb have shed a different light on them. with an above average qb...and i believe we now have at least 2 if not 3, could this corp be looked at in a different light? what if o'leary and clay become the best te pairs in the league? what if kb, zay, streeter, jones ,foster,reilly..or any combination becomes a solid groups of nfl receivers? everyone would forget these discussions. i for one am pumped. would i look at adding someone like maclin? sure but i'm not writing off the idea that we could have all the talent we need to greatly improve the passing game until i see some very good qb play....and i think that's on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Decent write up yet I didn't see Kerley mentioned. He is a solid 3rd down guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I can see an OL of LT Dawkins , LG Teller, C Groy , RG Miller, RT McDermott. They will have all of the OTA's and training camp to get ready and with the same system in effect , the preparation it should be better than it was last year. For WR I think most of us are forgetting about Brandon O'Rielley , McD. likes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: top 25 is not saying much. I'm not even sure he's that. Antonio Brown Beckham Julio Jones Hopkins Allen Green Thomas Baldwin Hill Evans Gordon Cooper Hilton Jeffry Cooks Robinson Nelson Tate Watkins Sanders Edeleman D. Thomas Fitzgerald that's off the top of my head could prob put a couple others in there, but with that being said, he's not a real impact guy clay is really inconsistent prob wouldn't put him top 15 either Benjamin is better than Thomas, Nelson, Hilton, Sanders, Tate, and Cooks imo. There is is no way you can name 14 TEs better than Clay. 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Not much of an OL, no QB, and no WRs to speak of. There is talet buried within Clay, but it's struggled to come out. Benjamin is not as good as most Bills fans seem to think he is. Great RB. Is the D good enough to win a lot of games 10-3? Benjamin puts up a 1000 yards and 9TDs this year, book it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 We will have certainly more involvement with the WRs this year so I do not think you can adequately put a grade on the receivers until we see what the season portends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The OLine could be good enough to pretty good assuming they go back to a power blocking scheme from the zone blocking scheme, which Dennison was enamored with and did not suit the skillset of the players last season. The rest of the offense is almost unpredictable at this point as it hinges on AJ as well as Brian Daboll's skillset and schemes as an OC. I too am more comfortable with the defense as it should be very good...potentially top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, billspro said: Benjamin and Clay are very good NFL players. Clay is a top 15 TE and KB is a top 25 WR. And they have one good knee between them..... I have no feel for what the offense will be yet at all. I just feel like everything on that side olis subjective unless it is "Shady is gonna be vital to our offensive success again." Beyond Shady and maybe Dion Dawkins I have 9 question marks for different reasons. Can Daboll piece something together that is greater than the sum of its parts? Can a Quarterback capable of winning us games emerge? Are they still going to add vets who shake loose elsewhere? Just too many questions for me to give a proper, considered, view. Edited May 21, 2018 by GunnerBill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And they have one good knee between them..... I was talking about this in the defense review thread. KB wasn't all that much of a speedster or agile before the billionth knee surgery he had this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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