Billsfanatixs Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Was just looking over college DT stats; Phillips compares well with Suh, identical height and weight, Phillips had a few more total tackles and Suh had 3 more sacks and 7 more tackles for a loss, but stats are pretty close. What am I missing, did Suh face tougher competition? The small differential in numbers may be far greater than I am giving credit for, but I would have though Phillips would have been touted higher. Edited May 18, 2018 by Billsfanatixs Mod request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I feel like suh faced better olines and more smash mouth offenses in the big ten while Harrison faced more open fast paced offense in the pac 12 2 different styles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I don’t think Phillips is nearly as “dominating”, but he’s incredibly productive and I was very surprised he dropped to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Found this on NFL.com: Weaknesses Has build of a guard Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance Finds himself on the ground too often More active than athletic Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off Lacks a plan as a rusher Can get better with using hands as rush weapons Secondary rush can get bogged down Sources Tell Us "I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 How do their combine numbers compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t think Phillips is nearly as “dominating”, but he’s incredibly productive and I was very surprised he dropped to us. If only a high end offensive lineman had also dropped to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Formerly Allan in MD said: If only a high end offensive lineman had also dropped to us. Rome was not built in a day. I’m praying for one or two more decent random signings, and a nice influx next year. I firmly believe in getting a QB and building both lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Found this on NFL.com: Weaknesses Has build of a guard Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance Finds himself on the ground too often More active than athletic Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off Lacks a plan as a rusher Can get better with using hands as rush weapons Secondary rush can get bogged down Sources Tell Us "I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout Party pooper. Good coaching can fix some of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, PIZ said: Found this on NFL.com: Weaknesses Has build of a guard Has higher center of gravity than most nose guards Plays too straight-legged robbing him of base width and balance Finds himself on the ground too often More active than athletic Looks plodding in lateral movement and change of direction Unable to sink and shift with adequate change of direction Quick lineman can cross his face and find positioning to wall him off Lacks a plan as a rusher Can get better with using hands as rush weapons Secondary rush can get bogged down Sources Tell Us "I'm kind of surprised at how high the media scout types are on him. Where do you play him? Loses balance which makes nose tough and he doesnt have athleticism to play with three-technique. But I get that he makes a bunch of plays and he's obviously a strong guy. I just see him as a day three player." -- NFC West Coast scout Other than that, what's not to like? Don't forget, they said Kyle Williams was not strong on the point, could be driven off the line, and likely would never be a starter. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I think his athletic ability is vastly underrated. He will be a top 4 DT from this class for sure, maybe even better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Party pooper. Good coaching can fix some of this. I love the pick. He was the guy I wanted the most in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: I love the pick. He was the guy I wanted the most in the draft. I didnt think he would be there in the second. I was so happy he was there in the third. He is going to play DT for us for a long time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 Harrison is Catfish Cooley.....Patent Date: 5-17-18 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The tape says it all. Suh was physically dominant in college and had an explosion that Phillips simply doesn't have. Phillips gets the job done but lacks the explosion. That's why a lot of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage, not behind it like Suh's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Kyle Williams scouting report... http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/kyle_williams.html Quote Kyle is not a great natural athlete. He won’t beat players with raw physical ability. Without that standout athleticism, he may lack the pure size to be a consistent all around threat like he was at LSU. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said: I feel like suh faced better olines and more smash mouth offenses in the big ten while Harrison faced more open fast paced offense in the pac 12 2 different styles Which is even more impressive for Phillips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: The tape says it all. Suh was physically dominant in college and had an explosion that Phillips simply doesn't have. Phillips gets the job done but lacks the explosion. That's why a lot of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage, not behind it like Suh's. Thats not true at all. Phillips had lots of TFL and tackles at the LOS. He had to play nose against double teams, he did not have many pass rush opportunities. Phillips has more athletic ability than given credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Which is even more impressive for Phillips. Pac12 oline va big ten lol he out up numbers bc he is smart and a solid athlete suh just dominated bc he is a freak not hating on Harrison but you get more tackles if they run more plays now TOL n sacks is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I love the pick but I thought Mo Hurst would’ve been the better fit. Still. I’m excited about the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 he was a fine pick for 96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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