BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: Fair. How do you explain Percy Harvin? He's pretty much been a bust everywhere except his first couple years. I only take Percy if we are discounting injuries. When he was healthy he was an incredible player and returner that could score any time he touched the ball. Unfortunately he was very rarely healthy. The idea with a trio of TO, Watkins, and Harvin is that they have diverse enough skillsets from each other, but each had to be accounted for on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I would put both Bledsoe and Fitz ahead of Tyrod. At this point IMO the only thing Tyrod has working in his favor is that he was the QB when the drought ended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Yeah, he was great. My earliest football memories are from like 1998-1999, but I didn't really start following closely till 2000 and on. I would have been 10 or 11 years old. Eric Moulds was the man. Fair. How do you explain Percy Harvin? He's pretty much been a bust everywhere except his first couple years. Moulds got really sour with how his 120+ Game catch streak ended Lee Evans had 3 TDs against Dolphins in the first quarter iirc and Moulds took himself out saying he hurt his Achilles The coaches tried telling him to go back in but he wanted to get looked at quick... he told them no and didn’t go back in... he was suspended the next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Talley56 said: I would put both Bledsoe and Fitz ahead of Tyrod. At this point IMO the only thing Tyrod has working in his favor is that he was the QB when the drought ended. I think his stats speak for themselves. Wins and losses, TD to INT ratio, QB Rating, etc. I wanted him gone too, but I think he did more than the other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Talley56 said: I would put both Bledsoe and Fitz ahead of Tyrod. At this point IMO the only thing Tyrod has working in his favor is that he was the QB when the drought ended. And the team did it's most consistent winning throughout the drought when it started him, during a period where the defense was average at best. And the team scored the most points throughout the drought when he started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Moulds got really sour with how his 120+ Game catch streak ended Lee Evans had 3 TDs against Dolphins in the first quarter iirc and Moulds took himself out saying he hurt his Achilles The coaches tried telling him to go back in but he wanted to get looked at quick... he told them no and didn’t go back in... he was suspended the next week I don't begrudge players who got "sour" with drought coaches and/or management. It sucks to play for sucky coaches and management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Gilmore should be in over McGee. He was really really good despite fan hatred towards the guy. Otherwise your pretty spot on with this. Nigel Bradham I may also put in over Manny Lawson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, corta765 said: Gilmore should be in over McGee. He was really really good despite fan hatred towards the guy. Otherwise your pretty spot on with this. Nigel Bradham I may also put in over Manny Lawson Great suggestions. I thought about Nigel Bradham. It was a close one. The case can be made for Gilmore, but I felt like he was always terrible the first half of the season and really good the second half. And what do you know? The same thing happened in New England. Pats fans hated him at first. His consistency issues (among other things) give me a bad impression of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If you eliminate the players from last year's team then I think I would go with Fitz at QB. Fred obviously at RB. But a few spots would be hard to pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 To me, an all-drought team should be players who ONLY were Bills during the drought. QB: Bledsoe or Fitz WR: Evans, TO, Stevie RB: Spiller, Fred, BeastMode (although McGahee really embodies the drought to me - a wasted draft pick on a position of strength at the time) RT: Mike Williams RG: Kraig Urbik C : Trey Teague LG: Andy Levitre LT: Jonas Jennings TE: Scott Chandler P: Brian Moorman K: Rian Lindell LS: Jon Dornbos DE: Aaron Schobel DT: Sam Adams DT: Marcel Dareus DE: Chris Kelsay OLB: Takeo Spikes MLB: London Fletcher (Posluszny) OLB: Angelo Crowell CB: Nate Clements CB: Leodis McKelvin S: Donte Whitner S: Jairus Byrd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: To me, an all-drought team should be players who ONLY were Bills during the drought. QB: Bledsoe or Fitz WR: Evans, TO, Stevie RB: Spiller, Fred, BeastMode (although McGahee really embodies the drought to me - a wasted draft pick on a position of strength at the time) RT: Mike Williams RG: Kraig Urbik C : Trey Teague LG: Andy Levitre LT: Jonas Jennings TE: Scott Chandler P: Brian Moorman K: Rian Lindell LS: Jon Dornbos DE: Aaron Schobel DT: Sam Adams DT: Marcel Dareus DE: Chris Kelsay OLB: Takeo Spikes MLB: London Fletcher (Posluszny) OLB: Angelo Crowell CB: Nate Clements CB: Leodis McKelvin S: Donte Whitner S: Jairus Byrd No Mario Williams? You'd have McKelvin over Terrance McGee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, MJS said: What do you have against Schobel? Always thought he was overrated and never liked how he left the team. The fact that he was willing to come out of retirement for other teams, but was done with us. He had no problem spending our money. So yeah, !@#$ him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: To me, an all-drought team should be players who ONLY were Bills during the drought. QB: Bledsoe or Fitz WR: Evans, TO, Stevie RB: Spiller, Fred, BeastMode (although McGahee really embodies the drought to me - a wasted draft pick on a position of strength at the time) RT: Mike Williams RG: Kraig Urbik C : Trey Teague LG: Andy Levitre LT: Jonas Jennings TE: Scott Chandler P: Brian Moorman K: Rian Lindell LS: Jon Dornbos DE: Aaron Schobel DT: Sam Adams DT: Marcel Dareus DE: Chris Kelsay OLB: Takeo Spikes MLB: London Fletcher (Posluszny) OLB: Angelo Crowell CB: Nate Clements CB: Leodis McKelvin S: Donte Whitner S: Jairus Byrd Dareus was a Bill for several games last year, so he's disquified. And Mario should be ahead of Kelsay. Far, far ahead... Edited May 17, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: And the team did it's most consistent winning throughout the drought when it started him, during a period where the defense was average at best. And the team scored the most points throughout the drought when he started. The defense was way worse when Fitz was QB. It may not have been great when Tyrod was QB but Fitz has it much worse when it came to defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Talley56 said: The defense was way worse when Fitz was QB. It may not have been great when Tyrod was QB but Fitz has it much worse when it came to defense. Was mostly a shot at Bledsoe, but the D in '15 and '16 was very similar to Fitz's in '10, '11, and '12. DVOA Ranks: Taylor Years: 15th, 27th, 24th Fitz Years: 27th, 24th, 28th, 8th Bledsoe Years: 1st, 7th, 24th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 No J.P. Losman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: No J.P. Losman? Dang. Someone needs to make a Bills All-Drought Worst Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: To me, an all-drought team should be players who ONLY were Bills during the drought. QB: Bledsoe or Fitz WR: Evans, TO, Stevie RB: Spiller, Fred, BeastMode (although McGahee really embodies the drought to me - a wasted draft pick on a position of strength at the time) RT: Mike Williams RG: Kraig Urbik C : Trey Teague LG: Andy Levitre LT: Jonas Jennings TE: Scott Chandler P: Brian Moorman K: Rian Lindell LS: Jon Dornbos DE: Aaron Schobel DT: Sam Adams DT: Marcel Dareus DE: Chris Kelsay OLB: Takeo Spikes MLB: London Fletcher (Posluszny) OLB: Angelo Crowell CB: Nate Clements CB: Leodis McKelvin S: Donte Whitner S: Jairus Byrd Solid List and I really dig your explanation for McGahee (Spiller at the time too!)... I may throw a honorable mention to David Nelson for two years but the ALL TIME EPITOME of how painful the drought was can be summed up in ONE front office move and here is ONE EXAMPLE (of many) personnel moves that kept us back. Keeping Dick Jauron and KNOWING he was waiting to be fired... and starting Keith Ellison for the year and neglecting to upgrade for years while defending his play to the fans... barf Edited May 17, 2018 by FrankoElTanko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, MJS said: Dang. Someone needs to make a Bills All-Drought Worst Team. That would really be depressing. It would be hard to pick a coach, although Rex would be right up there with Rick, Mike, and whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'd find room on my all-drought roster for rookie year Kiko Alonso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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