BillsBytheBay Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The kid came in with a history of catching EVERYTHING thrown at him. I think the jump was big and the offense had issues all over. I expect he'll turn into an adequate slot guy soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Personally, I think it's really hard to form opinions on Bills receivers based on the past few years due to the dreadfulness of our passing offense in general and the throwing inadequacies of our quarterback in particular. Case in point? Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, Chris Hogan, and Marquise Goodwin were considered a "below average" WR corps in Buffalo. Suddenly, they're all quality players elsewhere. The Bills threw the ball with such seldomness and inefficiency that it's simply difficult to deduce much useful data about the players in said offense. In terms of Zay Jones, the thing that seemed to plague him last year was a case of the Yips. He dropped a few early passes and got into his own head about it and couldn't get out of his own way. It also came out later that he played most of the year with a torn labrum. All together, given the jump in competition level he faced in year one, the jump receivers typically make from year one to year two, his return to full health, and the additions of what will hopefully prove to be higher quality passers, I expect Zay Jones to make a big jump in production and quell any questions about whether he's a bust. I never expect him to turn into a top 20 receiver in the NFL, but I think he'll have a long career as a dependable chain-moving slot possession receiver. In order for him to reach optimal production, it really seems to me he needs to play primarily out of the slot and not be depended on to be "the guy" in the passing game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Zay is the modern day Chris Kelsay Some folks have to have a wiping boy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Marv didn't play Moulds much his first season. Was a big believer in sitting rooks. I remember he ran a kickoff back for a TD Year two was meh. Year three was a stunner. Love to have that kind of talent on the team now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 If his head is right, he will almost certainly be better. How much better is the question. He was showing signs in second half. Could make a nice step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...didn't he play with a torn labrum most of the season?............. According to reports he did. Had surgery after the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 If it were just the drops I'd be more optimistic. He seemed to have trouble adjusting to balls and making plays on the passes thrown to him. The game seemed a little to fast for him. Given that he's not super big or super fast, he really need to master the receiving craft if he's going to make it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Buffalo86 said: Zay gets his best separation when he's running around butt naked. I kid! Would love to see him turn it around, but don't have the highest hopes. Heck no man, his brother was all over him 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Well, he has been practicing with his brother so..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 My big issue outside of his drop issues was the way that he was utilized. In college, he was almost exclusively used on underneath stuff: screens, drags, curls, etc. and he was by far at his best when playing out of the slot. In Buffalo, he was lined up out wide and asked to be the team's intermediate/deep threat, two areas where he has always struggled. The fact that he struggled as a result isn't really a surprise. Personally, I think he was extremely overrated in the draft last year anyways, so my expectations have never been particularly high with him and I think they could have gotten a similar player far later in the draft, but Buffalo is stuck with him and should at least try to utilize him to his strengths. They didn't do that with his rookie season. In fact, Dennison used played to very few of his players' strengths last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) A friend of mine is a big ECU booster. He absolutely loved Zay coming out of college and would text me throughout last season. He claims Zay's family is incredibly solid and supportive, and thinks last year was just a bit of a shock for him. He expects Zay to really turn the corner this season. Fingers crossed. 11 hours ago, artmalibu said: Zay is the modern day Chris Kelsay Some folks have to have a wiping boy I think those are typically reserved for royalty. Edited May 8, 2018 by eball 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, eball said: A friend of mine is a big ECU booster. He absolutely loved Zay coming out of college and would text me throughout last season. He claims Zay's family is incredibly solid and supportive, and thinks last year was just a bit of a shock for him. He expects Zay to really turn the corner this season. Fingers crossed. That is my expectation too. It's an adjustment from college to the NFL for every player, but I kind of think Zay had extra pressure on him due to the family ties. It's not easy to live up to expectations sometimes, he needs to continue to work hard, but he needs to learn to relax and let the game come to him as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Don’t look now but he is starting for another team the revisionist history is stupid like zay was not dropping catchable balls because of who was throwing it No one else caught them either. The Bills passing game with Tyrod was ?? Browns traded a 3rd round pick for a guy who will be keeping the bench warm all winter long. Time for Zay to shine. He had 399 catches pre Taylor. Edited May 8, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: No one else caught them either. The Bills passing game with Tyrod was ?? Browns traded a 3rd round pick for a guy who will be keeping the bench warm all winter long. Time for Zay to shine. He had 399 catches pre Taylor. Everyone else caught Tyrod's passes far more than Zay. It isn't even remotely close to be honest. Using PlayerProfiler.com's numbers, here's the numbers (keep in mind that they eliminating "uncatchable" passes): Benjamin: 71.6% catch rate, 9.0% drop rate Thompson: 73.1% catch rate, 5.8% drop rate Matthews: 80.6% catch rate, 9.7% drop rate Zay Jones: 61.4% catch rate, 15.9% drop rate I also took the liberty of finding a bunch of WRs that could be grouped with Zay based on the average route depth, listed below: Josh Doctson Alshon Jeffery Corey Coleman Mike Wallace AJ Green Tyrell Williams Ricardo Lewis Torrey Smith DeAndre Hopkins That group's averages were 73.9% and 8.5% respectively. Everyone, with the exception of Doctson and Zay, fell within a range of 70.4% to 78.7% in terms of catch percentage. Zay and Doctson were at 61.4% and 62.5% respectively. In terms of drop %, Ricardo Lewis (20%) was the only player that was worse than Zay, though Coleman (15.6%) was close to Zay as well. Everyone else ranged from 4.9% to 10.9%. Looking at the top 10 rookie WRs in terms of targets, we're left with a group of: Cooper Kupp Juju Smith-Schuster Keelan Cole Trent Taylor Zay Jones Corey Davis Kenny Golladay Chris Godwin Dede Westbrook Kendrick Bourne In that group, the average (excluding Zay), had a catch percentage of 78.7% and a drop % of 5.2% (again, compared to 61.4% and 15.9% for Zay). Nobody is within 10% of Zay in terms of catch %, with the range outside of him going from 71.8% (Golladay) to 91.9% (Godwin). In terms of drop %, Dede Westbrook is the closest at 14.7%. Suffice to say, Zay was horrible compared to his teammates, compared to those that ran similarly deep routes, and compared to his fellow rookie class. Again, there's room for hope; I think Dennison pretty much put him in positions that played to his greatest weaknesses rather than his strengths, and he was reportedly playing through an injury as well, but he was objectively horrific as a rookie. Edited May 8, 2018 by DCOrange 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 17 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This is such bs Say what you want about TT.....but passes were hitting Zay IN THE HANDS When that is supposed to be your forte in college dont B word about the QB when the football actually hits you in the hands. How quickly we forget after the season is over. Zay did drop some good passes by Taylor. There were also bad passes by Taylor that he caught. Lets not forget that over 35% of the passes thrown his way were uncatchable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I think Zay's going to be a lot better once he gets the uniform thing figured out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Lets hope they get him an appointment with Nelson Agholor's sports psychologist and the QB and coaches put him in a position to ball out. If NA could recover from what he was going through I have hope for Zay. We need some mid-tier players to step up and surprise us and the league. Edited May 8, 2018 by YodaMan79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 It's very hard for college WR's to step in and contribute on a WR1 or WR2 level. NFL db's are so much faster, bigger, and stronger than they are accustomed to and its a heck of a learning curve for them. Once in a while, you get a talent like Julio Jones or OBJ, but for the most part, most rookie WR's struggle. Zay played hurt all season, plus Tyrod never threw the ball to him or any WR ever!! Plus, Dennison didn't design too many plays for Zay to do what he does best. Why do I believe that Zay will have a much better 2nd season?? Better at the QB position Hopefully better offensive scheme that will utilize Zay properly in the passing game. Properly means, use him in the slot, run slants, posts, and any route that involves cutting and using his terrific feet. He is a complete WR. Speed, decent size, good at running routes, and has great hands. Struggled a bit last year, but I would bet anyone that this is def not a pattern of things to come 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 He's had a great 2018 so far... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I really wanted JuJu but I think Zay just lost his confidence and that’s huge as a pro. I think no one questioned his hands so when he has all those drops, it’s more about confidence than ability. that said, I don’t think Zay will ever be a star type receiver. His ceiling is probably Robert Woods, but obviously it’s dependent on qb play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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