Prickly Pete Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I think there will be some safeties playing deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: These games in 2016 will get you excited about Allen. You can see him with below average college talent (although much better than his team this year). A lot of the concerns like bailing out of the pocket to soon, you don't see in these game because he is not having to try to extend plays because his WRs are not terrible. I am very excited to see what he does with NFL talent. The best games were not on youtube. He looked great in the four games below against good opponents. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/16/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-2/ - vs #13 Boise state (1st win against them in 20 years) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/09/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016/- vs San Diego state (wins to go undefeated at home) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/05/23/josh-allen-vs-northern-illinois-2016/ vs Northern Illinois http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/17/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-mwcc/ vs San Diego State (Championship game, show how competitive this kid is) 1 hour ago, billspro said: Thank you Bills Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Just finished watching these edited game tapes with every Allen play on them: ******* Okay, I'm an analytics guy. I believe in the numbers and think that the Bills would definitely benefit from having a HC who acts a little like the Eagles' HC - going for it on 4th down more often, etc. Anyone who remembers my ranting after the Colts snow game this year, will attest to my love of modern football, though. When it came to this year's draft, we obviously wanted to go for a franchise QB - but Allen was my 5th QB. All of this based solely on the numbers. I didn't see much of all of the QBs beyond highlight reels, and Allen's stats just screamed "bust" to me. The completion %, the AYA, etc...there was just no way his admittedly impressive skill set could translate to the NFL with those numbers. And I let you guys know it - not with just one, but two threads saying Josh Allen will be a huge bust. Well, I like to think I'm man enough if I discover I'm wrong about something, and I think I'm wrong about Josh Allen. After going through these game tapes, listening to Dilfer, Palmer, etc., seeing Allen's life-story and what kind of man he is...I've to to say, I'm really excited about having Allen as the Bill's QB. The kid is amazing. Some things I've seen over the last few days of study: Allen can obviously make any throw on the field. His misses are almost always in a place where the defense cannot make a play on the ball. His accuracy issues are inflated. According to the stats, Wyoming only dropped 6 passes all year - well, look at the game film - I can pick out at least 6 times A GAME that his receivers drop the damn ball - or are too damn slow to catch up to a well-thrown ball. His supporting cast was woefully slow and unimpressive. We know Allen has one of the quickest releases ever seen, yet he has to often wait for his receivers to get open before throwing the ball - putting him in more danger of being hit/sacked and/or throwing it into a crowd. His OL was a freakin' sieve; he rarely had a clean pocket and was often running around trying to make something happen. His feet are INCREDIBLE. I'm not talking about his well-documented issues with footwork while passing - I'm talking about his ability to get out of trouble and gain yardage when there is none to be found. Just amazing athletic ability. And he had to use that ability a lot. Sure, he air-mails a few here and there, but what QB doesn't? And he doesn't seem quite comfortable throwing swing passes, but that'll come. What I noticed more than anything was that Wyoming had ONE real player on the field - and that was obviously Allen. The running game was practically non-existent. Allen was the whole offense. Watch the Iowa game - the one BIG COLLEGE opponent they play. Wyoming is out-classed. But Allen is fine. He throws the ball where it's supposed to go, but gets no help from his teammates. they are slow and not as strong as Iowa, so they get swallowed up. Watch Texas State at 2:35 - he lofts a perfect ball to James Brice, but Brice can't catch up to the ball - he's not fast enough. It's like Allen has to hold back to get the ball to his guys sometimes. **** So what am I taking from all this? I also went back and looked at some of Carson Wentz's college games. I don't see much of a difference. While Allen is not quite the physical speciman Cam Newton is, it is obvious he has a much better arm and much better touch on the ball. Numbers don't lie. But they sometimes aren't the whole story. I was wrong. I mean, the kid still needs to prove it and he can still be a bust. But I cannot wait to see Josh Allen in a Bill's uniform. Fantastic post, and essentially this was my experience as well...going from having him #5 and then through his offseason and looking more into him and there is a LOT to be excited about! All QB's have a lot to work on to succeed in the NFL, and Allen is the kind of kid that makes you feel like he has the ability to develop. Rosen for instance is a guy I have great concern about his ability to be coached, take the ups and downs, and grow from it. Allen wasn't my first choice, but I am also not a professional scout or GM. But now that he is a Bill and I have spent more time looking at him, its crystal clear he has one of the highest ceilings in recent memory and thats freaking exciting. Cant wait to start seeing this kids growth and development. GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Im not going to comb back through and link them, but out of the 4 videos I watched I saw at least 3 amazing deep ball dimes that hit the WR perfectly and the WR simply dropped like a chump. So I guess what I'm saying is, he should find immediate chemistry with Zay Jones. edit: Someone also needs to teach this kid to slide and avoid contact. You cant go in and go shoulder-to-shoulder with NFL LBs and DBs. Get down and live to fight another day. Yep. In his sophomore year he lowered his shoulder in one of his first games like that, broke his clavicle, had a bunch of screws put in it and missed the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 OP thank you for these films. I started watching some of them on Friday and Saturday and started to come on here to defend Allen. When i actually watched film for myself i knew the Bills got the right guy. Allen is someone Bills fans will love cheering for. The kid comes from a humble background, he has had to work his butt off for everything he has accomplished, and i see a willingness to learn. Please watch the game film from him at the senior bowl. You can see what a weeks worth of coaching and good WR talent can do for a young willing QB. Allen 100% can read defenses, Allen has a very nice play fake. The kid is very comfortable playing under center. I just do not see how some fans here want to compare him to any of the other QB's the Bills have missed on. When I watch the film I see Jimbo not EJ or JP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, billspro said: The best games were not on youtube. He looked great in the four games below against good opponents. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/16/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-2/ - vs #13 Boise state (1st win against them in 20 years) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/09/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016/- vs San Diego state (wins to go undefeated at home) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/05/23/josh-allen-vs-northern-illinois-2016/ vs Northern Illinois http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/17/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-mwcc/ vs San Diego State (Championship game, show how competitive this kid is) Good stuff - thanks for posting, nice "in between meeting" viewing! As mentioned, you see some good and some bad from Allen, but a whole lot of potential! I've only watched Boise State so far... That across the body, downfield pass in the SD game (play starts at about :40) is like ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, billspro said: These games in 2016 will get you excited about Allen. You can see him with below average college talent (although much better than his team this year). A lot of the concerns like bailing out of the pocket to soon, you don't see in these game because he is not having to try to extend plays because his WRs are not terrible. I am very excited to see what he does with NFL talent. The best games were not on youtube. He looked great in the four games below against good opponents. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/16/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-2/ - vs #13 Boise state (1st win against them in 20 years) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/09/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016/- vs San Diego state (wins to go undefeated at home) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/05/23/josh-allen-vs-northern-illinois-2016/ vs Northern Illinois http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/17/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-mwcc/ vs San Diego State (Championship game, show how competitive this kid is) Here are two other games that were solid on youtube. Wow. That Boise State game is highly impressive. Ditto the San Diego State game, but a little less so. It's almost as if 2016 Allen is a different player than 2017 Allen. For any Bills fan wanting to feel a bit more optimistic about Allen, I highly recommend watching these videos. Some of those throws in the Boise State game....Oh my goodness. Big, big, BIG time throws. Holy cow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Heitz said: Good stuff - thanks for posting, nice "in between meeting" viewing! As mentioned, you see some good and some bad from Allen, but a whole lot of potential! I've only watched Boise State so far... That across the body, downfield pass in the SD game (play starts at about :40) is like ! There are some throws that Allen makes that no other player on the planet can make. His arm is like nothing I have ever seen. He is a really difficult evaluation. His arm is so good he might not have to throw with anticipation at the NFL level (I have never said that before). I think he can and will throw with anticipation but he might now have to all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Imagine him with one of the elite wide receivers just hauling down the sideline. If the Bills can manage to get one, it will be a thing of beauty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Logic said: Wow. That Boise State game is highly impressive. Ditto the San Diego State game, but a little less so. It's almost as if 2016 Allen is a different player than 2017 Allen. For any Bills fan wanting to feel a bit more optimistic about Allen, I highly recommend watching these videos. Some of those throws in the Boise State game....Oh my goodness. Big, big, BIG time throws. Holy cow! That is a ranked team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, billspro said: That is a ranked team as well. Just watched the MWCC game against San Diego State. The throw he makes at roughly the 12:30 mark...the 46 yarder, rolling to his right in the face of pressure..that SOMEHOW becomes a touchdown....Wow. Undoubtedly, other QBs from this class display more consistency and short accuracy. But there is no doubt in my mind that in terms of jaw-dropping, "only 3 guys on planet earth can make that play" type of plays...Allen is head and shoulders above the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Imagine him with one of the elite wide receivers just hauling down the sideline. If the Bills can manage to get one, it will be a thing of beauty. He and Kelvin Benjamin should work very well together. Allen won't care if he's open, he'll chuck it somewhere in his vicinity and Benjamin will go up and get it. I hope his injury issues are cleared up because he's the perfect WR for Allen to have in his developmental years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: He and Kelvin Benjamin should work very well together. Allen won't care if he's open, he'll chuck it somewhere in his vicinity and Benjamin will go up and get it. I hope his injury issues are cleared up because he's the perfect WR for Allen to have in his developmental years. Yeah, I was thinking that too. But a real speed demon that can catch would have the DB's backing off quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Allen sucks. Can't believe we took him just cause Terry P was impressed that he could throw the ball far. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Allen sucks. Can't believe we took him just cause Terry P was impressed that he could throw the ball far. LOL What a valuable contribution the forum! Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us all with your well reasoned, well stated, and mature opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, billspro said: These games in 2016 will get you excited about Allen. You can see him with below average college talent (although much better than his team this year). A lot of the concerns like bailing out of the pocket to soon, you don't see in these game because he is not having to try to extend plays because his WRs are not terrible. I am very excited to see what he does with NFL talent. The best games were not on youtube. He looked great in the four games below against good opponents. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/16/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-2/ - vs #13 Boise state (1st win against them in 20 years) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/09/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016/- vs San Diego state (wins to go undefeated at home) http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/05/23/josh-allen-vs-northern-illinois-2016/ vs Northern Illinois http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/07/17/josh-allen-vs-san-diego-state-2016-mwcc/ vs San Diego State (Championship game, show how competitive this kid is) Here are two other games that were solid on youtube. While there are a lot of positive things to build on in those games, like many of the games he has played the last few years, these games show once again that he is a work in progress. Outside of a couple of plays he made, that Northern Illinois tape was pretty bad. Seems like no matter how much tape you watch of the guy, there are so many things in common. When his footwork is right and he actually gets some help from his teammates, he is awesome to watch. But far too many times, he makes plays that you just want to cover your eyes while watching. As far as I am concerned, let's get his footwork fixed and see where that takes him. He has a lot more issues than that, but that would be a big start and I think would help correct the other issues he has. One thing at a time. Let's build a QB. Edited May 1, 2018 by sven233 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Most fans only look at stats. I've been saying this since last year. Allen isn't a stats guy in college because of the team he is on. You can't come to a conclusion about a college football player based on the player's stats. When are fans going to learn this? Edited May 1, 2018 by Buffalo30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thanks for posting these games... Have watched a couple... he is elusive for a big dude and appears that he is used to playing behind a porous OL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 He has tremendous ability to throw on the run and still with a lot of velocity. That part of his game is very impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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