JohnC Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Mel Kiper took a lot of heat for maintaining that Allen was one of the top qbs in this class and was seriously being considered to be the first player taken in this draft by Cleveland. Allen wasn't the first pick but he was seriously considered by Cleveland, the Jets, Arizona and Buffalo to be their pick for qb. There are more than enough fair criticisms for the iconic draftnick. But his early opinion on Allen proved to be right. There are no guarantees for success when evaluating qbs. So I'm not jumping to any conclusions how good Allen is going to be. My point is that while so many people were skeptical in their assessment on Allen, Kiper's early assessment in the player turned out to be the prevailing view by the teams participating in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, JohnC said: Mel Kiper took a lot of heat for maintaining that Allen was one of the top qbs in this class and was seriously being considered to be the first player taken in this draft by Cleveland. Allen wasn't the first pick but he was seriously considered by Cleveland, the Jets, Arizona and Buffalo to be their pick for qb. There are more than enough fair criticisms for the iconic draftnick. But his early opinion on Allen proved to be right. There are no guarantees for success when evaluating qbs. So I'm not jumping to any conclusions how good Allen is going to be. My point is that while so many people were skeptical in their assessment on Allen, Kiper's early assessment in the player turned out to be the prevailing view by the teams participating in the draft. Good post. All post-season, Kiper gave the lie to the TBD experts who said Allen was a third round talent. My money is (and always has been) on Allen having a much better career than Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Mel Kiper drove the Allen hype train. Of course, he loves the pick. Draft grades and Mel Kiper are pretty stupid. should have a good idea in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 8 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: Kipers blessing is no better than a poster from TBD Kiper's blessing merely reflects the fact that in this draft, the Bills FO aligned with his mocks and made him look smart. No more, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mannc said: Good post. All post-season, Kiper gave the lie to the TBD experts who said Allen was a third round talent. My money is (and always has been) on Allen having a much better career than Darnold. As I have said in prior post what's telling to me is that it was reported that the Cardinals tried to trade up to get Allen. They couldn't match our offer so they ended up moving up to get Rosen. I liked all the qbs in the upper tier in this draft class. I would have been happy with any of them. Rosen is the most prepared to start right away. But the real measure is not how well they do in their rookie year but how well will they do after a few years in the league. Edited April 29, 2018 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, mannc said: Good post. All post-season, Kiper gave the lie to the TBD experts who said Allen was a third round talent. My money is (and always has been) on Allen having a much better career than Darnold. Are you using Kiper as a guide to make you feel better about Allen? Is this tongue in cheek? He is terrible. Dude said Jimmy Clausen was the best player in his draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Guys, Darnold and Mayfield were off the board, it was Allen or Rosen. Allen is a project with huge potential, the difference between him and Rosen is Allen knows he has work to do and is eager to work hard and take direction. Rosen is more ready but thinks he knows more than his coaches and teammates and anyway hey its only football there are more interesting things in life right? Which personality do you think McDermott wants as his QB? Which do you? BTW I would have also been happy taking Jackson at 22 but he was not a #12 pick. So lets say Beane took a non-QB at 12 and Jackson was scooped up before 22 ... would have been a disaster. SO you see Allen was the best possible pick. Moving up didn't cost us that much and locked in a top 4 QB. Grade: A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 5 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: This analysis makes me feel more worried. This analysis makes me feel more worried. Get the paper. Get the paper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Kiper's blessing merely reflects the fact that in this draft, the Bills FO aligned with his mocks and made him look smart. No more, no less. Kiper's views on Allen were consistent from the beginning of the extended evaluating process right to the end. In fact, he was ridiculed for having Allen being the first qb taken when he put out his first draft board. Mel the gel kept his stance on Allen while many of his draftnik associates strongly disagreed with him. While his big board and other draft boards fluctuated in their ranking of players Kiper's position on Allen was fairly consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you using Kiper as a guide to make you feel better about Allen? Is this tongue in cheek? He is terrible. Dude said Jimmy Clausen was the best player in his draft. Dude said he would retire if Clausen wasn't a successful NFL QB within X years. As Clausen has been out of the NFL since 2015 Kiper is past his expiration date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you using Kiper as a guide to make you feel better about Allen? Is this tongue in cheek? He is terrible. Dude said Jimmy Clausen was the best player in his draft. No, i don’t need Kiper to make me feel good about Allen. I’ve liked him for a long time. Kiper is as good as any other draftnik, all of whom have made bad calls in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Take with a grain of salt, but the outlook is at least being well recieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Phillips and Wyatt were rated as 2nd and 3rd round picks respectively by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 3 hours ago, PearlHowardman said: Far too many over sensitive posters here defending QB Josh Allen. You guys are all over the place. When you see that happening, you know there's a problem at QB. how does posting here prove anything about qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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