Tyrod Taylor turning heads in Cleveland.

[TAinLack.]

4 hours ago, Lfod said:

Tyrod is fine if you don't mind a few 3 point games in a season. You like 3 point games and that's fine. 

The defense can keep the score low enough to give our offense a chance to win.., I hope.!

[Seanbillsfan2206]

5 hours ago, KzooMike said:

After seeing how little we added to the offense, unless we add some major production prior to start of the year we are poised to have one of the most talent depleted offenses in football. If you asked me my preference between AJ and Tyrod I would say AJ, but that's only if he has play makers around him. Tyrod can't take advantage of play makers as much AJ can, but the reality is, we have nobody outside of McCoy. AJ holds the ball like Taylor, high sack rates, little mobility, much more turnover prone. What Tyrod can do is generate yards on his own. He helped mask the offensive line issues. He didn't commit turnovers. I'm certainly not arguing at all that an upgrade was required over Taylor. I just just think with this current roster Taylor would have given us a better chance to win games.    

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[Skins Malone]

Nah the Bills needed to move on.  I wish we had more weapons  and were more solid on the oline but it is what it is.  Let AJ start this year and load up on offense in next years draft

[atlbillsfan1975]

Congrats to the sentiment I am seeing here in response to the OP, it is time to stop living in the past. 

When we as a Bills fan base can try to move on from our past we have a chance to enjoy the future. 

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

As much as I like Tyrod, the decision to move him was the right decision. Don't forget we moved him for a  pick that was used to snatch Allen (who I DID NOT WANT but he is a Bill now so Im rooting for him of course).

Tyrod showed he can only get us so far. As long as the drought lasted, that doesnt mean we should accept a QB that can only get us to the playoffs and most likely second round at best. We have to swing for the fences because a Superbowl is and always will be the goal. What good is it being the Bengals, a team that can make the playoffs often but never go anywhere after that? No thanks. Lets aim for a QB that can carry the team when needed. Tyrod wan't that. Allen or AJ may not either...we will find out and move on if they aren't. 

 

Speaking of moving on...Tyrod is now a Brown. You should move on too.

This

3 hours ago, BuffaloTX said:

It's amusing to see all these fans think this team is going to make a jump from last year and improve. Not happening!!! This team is in rebuild mode and won't be ready to play for championships any sooner than 2019. Why would you pay Tyrod Taylor all that money just to go 7-9/8-8 like they always do? Saving the money and letting this process work is the right move. Buffalo is finally out of cap hell next year yet so many of you want to complain. If any of you think any of these moves made in the last 12 months are to win now....you don't get it.

And this.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

Right now, Tom Brady would fail in this offense because the talent is awful. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, KzooMike said:

After seeing how little we added to the offense, unless we add some major production prior to start of the year we are poised to have one of the most talent depleted offenses in football. If you asked me my preference between AJ and Tyrod I would say AJ, but that's only if he has play makers around him. Tyrod can't take advantage of play makers as much AJ can, but the reality is, we have nobody outside of McCoy. AJ holds the ball like Taylor, high sack rates, little mobility, much more turnover prone. What Tyrod can do is generate yards on his own. He helped mask the offensive line issues. He didn't commit turnovers. I'm certainly not arguing at all that an upgrade was required over Taylor. I just just think with this current roster Taylor would have given us a better chance to win games.    

 

Kzoo, I  respect the QB draft data you presented in another thread.  Here, your take on AJ off.  It's pretty hard to make a case that a 1.7% turnover rate (in a small sample of 5 games)  constitutes "much more turnover prone" (and no, he doesn't fumble more).  I wouldn't want to make a deal out of 2.8 sacks per game vs 3 sacks per game either.  In fact, when I did my draft QB analysis using hard metrics, there were two names that popped up and surprised me.  One was AJ McCarron, the other was Cody Kessler.

That said, I agree of course about the talent depletion on the offense, and the fact that when AJ played decently at the end of season for the Bengals, he had very talented WR and a solid OL.  I think he is a far better pocket-passing QB who can read the D and understand where to go with the ball, he just doesn't always have the arm to get it there.

 

You're probably right that Taylor would give us better play at the QB position because of his legs, but I think the Bills went with the "Good is the Enemy of Great" philosophy there.  When we traded Taylor, I thought for sure we were going to make a push to sign one of the big FA, and maybe we were but got out-bid?   I'm not sure having McCarron and a rookie (and Peterman) in the QB room was the plan.  That said, if McCarron is a smart and hard working guy, perhaps they feel he will be a better mentor in the room, and a better example of standing in the pocket, making reads and progressions on the field?

 

We have got to do something about our OL and WR though.  Very disappointed if we go to training camp where we are today.

[Gugny]

6 hours ago, KzooMike said:

After seeing how little we added to the offense, unless we add some major production prior to start of the year we are poised to have one of the most talent depleted offenses in football. If you asked me my preference between AJ and Tyrod I would say AJ, but that's only if he has play makers around him. Tyrod can't take advantage of play makers as much AJ can, but the reality is, we have nobody outside of McCoy. AJ holds the ball like Taylor, high sack rates, little mobility, much more turnover prone. What Tyrod can do is generate yards on his own. He helped mask the offensive line issues. He didn't commit turnovers. I'm certainly not arguing at all that an upgrade was required over Taylor. I just just think with this current roster Taylor would have given us a better chance to win games.    

 

I'm genuinely wondering how you were able to assess AJ McCarron based on his limited real NFL action.  He's started 3 games and played in 11 (some being coming in for a kneel-down).

 

You're comparing him to Tyrod, who was given the starting job in Buffalo for three seasons.

 

I can respect that you think keeping Tyrod would have been best.  I disagree; but I respect it.

 

But you're unfairly assessing McCarron's potential and unfairly comparing him to a 3-year starter, in my opinion.

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

We have got to do something about our OL and WR though.  Very disappointed if we go to training camp where we are today.

 

I've been all about "trusting the process," from day one.  I cannot believe that Beane went into this draft knowing exactly how the OL would be handled.  I'm far less concerned about WR.  My guess is that both OL and WR will look markedly different by the time training camp comes.  I sure as hell hope so!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I'm genuinely wondering how you were able to assess AJ McCarron based on his limited real NFL action.  He's started 3 games and played in 11 (some being coming in for a kneel-down).

 

You're comparing him to Tyrod, who was given the starting job in Buffalo for three seasons.

 

I can respect that you think keeping Tyrod would have been best.  I disagree; but I respect it.

 

But you're unfairly assessing McCarron's potential and unfairly comparing him to a 3-year starter, in my opinion.

 

Gug, you have a good point here (though it's 4 games not 3 - there was a playoff game). 

 

For people who are watching the film, not just looking at the stats, I do think 4 1/2 games is a good solid sample of where McCarron was as a QB.  Then you look at the stats and say "no, it's not true that he's more turnover prone or gets sacked more, but he's throwing to talented receivers, and he's not getting a lot of offense out of it." 

 

I think it's a fair assessment of where AJ McCarron was in 2015.

 

The unknown of course, is where AJ McCarron is now and can he progress with more time. 

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Boludo said:

dude no one gives a crap about tyrod taylor anymore

 

quit living in the past man

I'd take 3 pt games in a season over 10+ down 10+ with 2 INT's

 

The average fan who doesn't get football never appreciates lack of INT's

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Gug, you have a good point here (though it's 4 games not 3 - there was a playoff game). 

 

For people who are watching the film, not just looking at the stats, I do think 4 1/2 games is a good solid sample of where McCarron was as a QB.  Then you look at the stats and say "no, it's not true that he's more turnover prone or gets sacked more, but he's throwing to talented receivers, and he's not getting a lot of offense out of it." 

 

I think it's a fair assessment of where AJ McCarron was in 2015.

 

The unknown of course, is where AJ McCarron is now and can he progress with more time. 

 

All I know is that I'm excited to see how it all plays out.  I think there's a lot more unknown with McCarron, than known; and obviously (although some disagree) Josh Allen is ALL unknown.

 

I expect McCarron to look a lot better than Allen right out of the gate.  If they are close, then I'd consider that a bad sign for AJ (and a good one for Allen).

 

This is going to be fun to watch unfold.

 

 

[Da webster guy]

7 hours ago, StHustle said:

As much as I like Tyrod, the decision to move him was the right decision. Don't forget we moved him for a  pick that was used to snatch Allen (who I DID NOT WANT but he is a Bill now so Im rooting for him of course).

Tyrod showed he can only get us so far. As long as the drought lasted, that doesnt mean we should accept a QB that can only get us to the playoffs and most likely second round at best. We have to swing for the fences because a Superbowl is and always will be the goal. What good is it being the Bengals, a team that can make the playoffs often but never go anywhere after that? No thanks. Lets aim for a QB that can carry the team when needed. Tyrod wan't that. Allen or AJ may not either...we will find out and move on if they aren't. 

 

Speaking of moving on...Tyrod is now a Brown. You should move on too.

we used clevelands pick to get Edmunds, but your point remains legit. 

Tyrod was fun to watch but painfully inconsistent.   Great guy, good riddance. 

[nedboy7]

Let’s see how long Allen lasts with this fan base. Should be fun to see. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

we used clevelands pick to get Edmunds, but your point remains legit. 

Tyrod was fun to watch but painfully inconsistent.   Great guy, good riddance. 

 

Here's some wild speculation.  What if Beane was being disingenuous when asked about Allen's tweets - saying he didn't know about that but meaning their publication, not their existence?  What if they thought they wanted Allen all along, based on their scouting last season and the Sr Bowl?  Tyrod had a track record of 2x previously bringing up race as an factor in the team's handling of him as a QB.  Powder keg, meet match - that would NOT be a good QB room.

[Big Gun]

37 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I'd take 3 pt games in a season over 10+ down 10+ with 2 INT's

 

The average fan who doesn't get football never appreciates lack of INT's

I don't think throwing int means a whole lot. It's when they are thrown that matters. If you find a QB that goes for 25/15 TD/int for 15 years he is a HOF 

History suggests  that some of the greatest QB threw lots and lots of ints but were able to overcome them. Plenty of HOF in this list 

 

                                                                           

Rank	Player	Int	Years	Tm
1	Brett Favre+	336	1991-2010	4TM
2	George Blanda+	277	1949-1975	4TM
3	John Hadl	268	1962-1977	4TM
4	Vinny Testaverde	267	1987-2007	7TM
5	Fran Tarkenton+	266	1961-1978	2TM
6	Norm Snead	257	1961-1976	5TM
7	Johnny Unitas+	253	1956-1973	2TM
8	Dan Marino+	252	1983-1999	mia
9	Peyton Manning	251	1998-2015	2TM
10	Y.A. Tittle+	248	1948-1964	3TM
11	Jim Hart	247	1966-1984	2TM
12	Bobby Layne+	243	1948-1962	4TM
13	Dan Fouts+	242	1973-1987	sdg
14	Warren Moon+	233	1984-2000	4TM
15	Drew Brees	228	2001-2017	2TM
	Eli Manning	228	2004-2017	nyg
17	John Elway+	226	1983-1998	den
18	John Brodie	224	1957-1973	sfo
19	Ken Stabler+	222	1970-1984	3TM
20	Joe Namath+	220	1965-1977	2TM
	Babe Parilli	220	1952-1969	5TM
22	Terry Bradshaw+	210	1970-1983	pit
23	Joe Ferguson	209	1973-1990	4TM
24	Steve Grogan	208	1975-1990	nwe
25	Drew Bledsoe	206	1993-2006	3TM

26	Steve DeBerg	204	1978-1998	6TM
27	Sammy Baugh+	203	1937-1952	was
28	Dave Krieg	199	1980-1998	6TM
29	Jim Plunkett	198	1971-1986	3TM
30	Kerry Collins	196	1995-2011	6TM
31	Tobin Rote	191	1950-1966	4TM
32	Sonny Jurgensen+	189	1957-1974	2TM
33	Craig Morton	187	1965-1982	3TM
	Carson Palmer	187	2004-2017	3TM
35	Boomer Esiason	184	1984-1997	3TM
36	Len Dawson+	183	1957-1975	3TM
	Jack Kemp	183	1957-1969	3TM
38	Charley Johnson	181	1961-1975	3TM
39	Lynn Dickey	179	1971-1985	2TM
40	Norm Van Brocklin+	178	1949-1960	2TM
41	Jim Everett	175	1986-1997	3TM
	Jim Kelly+	175	1986-1996	buf
43	Ben Roethlisberger	174	2004-2017	pit
44	Archie Manning	173	1971-1984	3TM
45	Bob Griese+	172	1967-1980	mia
46	Charlie Conerly	167	1948-1961	nyg
47	Philip Rivers	166	2004-2017	sdg
48	Jon Kitna	165	1997-2011	4TM
49	Ron Jaworski	164	1974-1989	4TM
50	Dan Pastorini	161	1971-1983	4TM
	Jake Plummer	161	1997-2006	2TM
	Richard Todd	161	1976-1985	2TM
53	Ken Anderson	160	1971-1986	cin
	Tom Brady	160	2000-2017	nwe
	Jay Cutler	160	2006-2017	3TM

                                                                        

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by PeterGriffin

[YoloinOhio]

Baker Mayfield 3rd on depth chart and Tyrod Taylor will lead the Browns, says Hue Jackson

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/04/baker_mayfield_3rd_on_depth_ch.html

[Teddy KGB]

Tyrod still sucks.    

 

Mayfield and Haley are gonna make his life a disaster in Cleveland too.  

 

 

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, KzooMike said:

After seeing how little we added to the offense, unless we add some major production prior to start of the year we are poised to have one of the most talent depleted offenses in football. If you asked me my preference between AJ and Tyrod I would say AJ, but that's only if he has play makers around him. Tyrod can't take advantage of play makers as much AJ can, but the reality is, we have nobody outside of McCoy. AJ holds the ball like Taylor, high sack rates, little mobility, much more turnover prone. What Tyrod can do is generate yards on his own. He helped mask the offensive line issues. He didn't commit turnovers. I'm certainly not arguing at all that an upgrade was required over Taylor. I just just think with this current roster Taylor would have given us a better chance to win games.    

 

“Tyrod cant take advantage of play makers as much as AJ can”

 

AJ has done jack **** in this league. 

[Maine-iac]

Someone tell me how this "process" is different than Marrone with Schwartz/Pettine  and Hackett in 2014/15?  Is Daboll better than Hackett?  We certainly don't have anywhere near the talent.  How long until the "rebuild" starts yielding results.  Bring in a different QB?  I was on board with that.  That said I we had 7 picks in the first 3 rounds and ended up with 3 players one of them being a QB who by all accounts needs work with accuracy and reading defenses.  I stopped drinking the kool aid on coaches with "processes" a long time ago.  A good coach comes in and changes the offense/defense from playing bad to playing well.  You stop the other team from scoring and you yourself score more.  You acquire more talent to do so.  This idea that one player is the absolute beginning and end of it all is absurd.  I will certainly hope for Allen's success because at this point the alternative is another 2/3 years in the crapper and most likely another regime change.

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Baker Mayfield 3rd on depth chart and Tyrod Taylor will lead the Browns, says Hue Jackson

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/04/baker_mayfield_3rd_on_depth_ch.html

 

Watching Mayfield and Haley throw temper tantrums as Taylor’s pitching another 80 yard passing day is must see tv ?.