PAuline: agreement in principle with giants

[Awwufelloff]

The Jets are going to get Rosen aren't they.

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, par73 said:

Wasn't this non-story posted last week?

Yes. 

[thunderingsquid]

58 minutes ago, BillsFanMike said:

Please stay where we are at McBean. We need to gather talent and a QB will fall in the draft. It happens every year. Build up our depth.

 

Absolutely.   I am totally down for the next JP Losman or EJ Manuel.  

 

SMH.  

[gobills1212]

And there didnt seem to be any certainty as implied, just speculation or hear say...

[SoTier]

29 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Hey, it's worked for this team for the last half-century, right?

 

Well, actually it did.   LOL.   In 1983, the Bills had 2 first rounders.  They stayed where they were and took Kelly with the second of those picks at #14.  The one time they traded up (from the 2nd round back into the first) in 2004, they got the booby prize of JP Losman at #22.  In 2013, determined to take a first round QB but not loving EJ Manuel or any of the other duds from that class, they traded back to 16, and Manuel was still there.

 

BTW, the Bills missed out on Aaron Rodgers because they took Losman the year before and didn't have a first rounder in 2005.  They also had to take Leotus McKelvin at #11 in 2008 instead of grabbing Joe Flacco, and in 2012, they had to grab TJ Graham while Russell Wilson was still available.  The Bills problems at QB over the years hasn't been that they didn't have opportunities to draft franchise QBs because they didn't trade up to get them, but that they repeatedly failed to pick the right player, except once, when they had future franchise QBs available. 

 

Hopefully, the Beane/McDemott regime picks the right player, whether they trade up or stay at #12.  Getting the right player seems to be a much more effective strategy than simply obtaining any player who plays a specific position of need, no matter how desperate that need. 

[BigBuff423]

8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

You are still changing the narrative here. The post we disagreed with pleaded for Beane to stay where we were. All I want is for Beane to do what he thinks puts us in the best position to get the QB he considers the best prospect. I do not want him to settle, I do not want him to reach, I want him to do his job and do it right. 

 

But that had nothing to do with me...someone posted about getting the hottest girl at the bar instead of waiting for closing time and hoping to take home a beast. I clarified the analogy to be much more like marrying a virtual stranger based on looks, and all that such a commitment entails and what is at risk in terms of assets and major changes. That's all....

 

I'm fine with staying at 12, and I'm fine with trading up....just not so far up that it cripples the ability of the team to address not only QB but other areas as well. So, trading up and giving up the extra 1st and a 2nd....sucks, and that's about the line, I personally could stomach. But in the scenario posted, that was NOT the asking it price. To me, the price was much, much steeper and that's where I waded into the conversation to say, if you do that, be so sure about your pick, you know you're married to this person for the next five years with no way out and without knowing what you're getting. That's all.....

[reddogblitz]

Just now, thunderingsquid said:

 

Absolutely.   I am totally down for the next JP Losman or EJ Manuel.  

 

SMH.  

 

I am totally down with the next JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

[jo39416]

oh god.

 

Just let it end.  I cant work .

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

47 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Boy if I had a dime

 

 

....LMAO....she probably would have taken it.............

[Captain Murica]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Well, actually it did.   LOL.   In 1983, the Bills had 2 first rounders.  They stayed where they were and took Kelly with the second of those picks at #14.  The one time they traded up (from the 2nd round back into the first) in 2004, they got the booby prize of JP Losman at #22.  In 2013, determined to take a first round QB but not loving EJ Manuel or any of the other duds from that class, they traded back to 16, and Manuel was still there.

 

BTW, the Bills missed out on Aaron Rodgers because they took Losman the year before and didn't have a first rounder in 2005.  They also had to take Leotus McKelvin at #11 in 2008 instead of grabbing Joe Flacco, and in 2012, they had to grab TJ Graham while Russell Wilson was still available.  The Bills problems at QB over the years hasn't been that they didn't have opportunities to draft franchise QBs because they didn't trade up to get them, but that they repeatedly failed to pick the right player, except once, when they had future franchise QBs available. 

 

Hopefully, the Beane/McDemott regime picks the right player, whether they trade up or stay at #12.  Getting the right player seems to be a much more effective strategy than simply obtaining any player who plays a specific position of need, no matter how desperate that need. 

 

 

What type of flower is that, Leotus? 

 

Just messing, its Leodis. 

[thunderingsquid]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I am totally down with the next JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

 

reddogblitz:  Struck out looking 

[Bill_with_it]

7 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I'm not insinuating anything (also, I held out hope for EJ, but was never convinced)...the scenario posted I restated: an extra 1st this year, two 2nds this year, McCoy....that's a ton of assets and yes, you forfeit a MLB, WR and Offensive lineman in exchange for the QB you creamed your jeans over....meanwhile, Jackson and even MAYBE Rosen is still there at 12 or even trading up to 7, but not giving up your other 1st this year or even one of your 2nds this year, probably a 3rd this year.....THAT's a big difference and if you don't think so, then there's nothing I can say.

 

Also, I'm not "over reacting drama specialist" I merely clarified the analogy. Take it down a notch....you tried to say that I wanted to wait in the later rounds to Draft a QB, which I do not, I clarified that as well despite your assumption and failure to comprehend what I wrote. That said, we agree to disagree, best wishes on the rest of your day and as always, Go Bills!

What will Mccoy, the drafted MLB,  and drafted WR do with aj mccarron leading the team or an ej manuel prospect that was settled on? That is  what you fail to fundamentally understand. Barring drafting the Chicago Bear’s or Baltimore Raven’s historic defenses, those picks are worthless regarding the teams ultimate goal to win a championship. 

11 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I'm not insinuating anything (also, I held out hope for EJ, but was never convinced)...the scenario posted I restated: an extra 1st this year, two 2nds this year, McCoy....that's a ton of assets and yes, you forfeit a MLB, WR and Offensive lineman in exchange for the QB you creamed your jeans over....meanwhile, Jackson and even MAYBE Rosen is still there at 12 or even trading up to 7, but not giving up your other 1st this year or even one of your 2nds this year, probably a 3rd this year.....THAT's a big difference and if you don't think so, then there's nothing I can say.

 

Also, I'm not "over reacting drama specialist" I merely clarified the analogy. Take it down a notch....you tried to say that I wanted to wait in the later rounds to Draft a QB, which I do not, I clarified that as well despite your assumption and failure to comprehend what I wrote. That said, we agree to disagree, best wishes on the rest of your day and as always, Go Bills!

Noni never stated that you wanted to wait till the later rounds. I stated you were insinuating and EJ manuel pick of proportionality with regard to the QB. Which is settling on leftovers. BTW which round was EJ drafted and how did that work out for us?

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Doesn't matter if a QB falls, it should be the QB Beane wants. I would hope the 6 top QBs in this draft are not considered interchangeable.

As long as we trade as many picks as possible, the new QB will be absolutely awesome.  This chick Pauline says we are almost there.

[JaCrispy]

45 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Including the Bills.  That's what you want, though, and that's how smart GMs operate.  That's why these kind of trades happen on draft day when the team with the higher pick is on the clock.   A team doesn't trade up just to get "a player" (well, maybe if they're the Jests they do), but "the player they want".  What's the point of trading up if the guy you want is already gone?

 

Obviously, the Giants want a player that they think Cleveland might want, too.  If Cleveland doesn't take him, then they aren't trading.  If Cleveland doesn't, they open to a trade -- provided that Cleveland didn't take the player the Bills wanted. 

I don’t really understand why some people have a problem with what the Jets did...is it jealousy? Because if you ask me, I would love it if the Bills were in their spot...they are guaranteed to get one of the top 3 QBs... isn’t that we would want as Bills fans? That’s why I don’t get the bashing of the Jets for trading to 3.

[reddogblitz]

1 minute ago, thunderingsquid said:

 

reddogblitz:  Struck out looking 

 

Sometime instead of swinging at that high inside fastball so you don't miss it, you take the pitch.  You get to first on a walk.  You steal second.  The next guy up hits a slow roller to first and you get to third.  The next guys hits a long fly ball, and YOU SCORE!!

 

There's more than one way to skin a cat. 

 

This notion that you have to trade all your picks for a try at a golden armed franchise QB or you want to settle and are OK with bad QB play is glorified Horse **** IMHO.

[thunderingsquid]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Sometime instead of swinging at that high inside fastball so you don't miss it, you take the pitch.  You get to first on a walk.  You steal second.  The next guy up hits a slow roller to first and you get to third.  The next guys hits a long fly ball, and YOU SCORE!!

 

There's more than one way to skin a cat. 

 

This notion that you have to trade all your picks for a try at a golden armed franchise QB or you want to settle and are OK with bad QB play is glorified Horse **** IMHO.

 

We may not agree but in this draft, you are so much more likely to score on one the top 4 than a Lauletta or a Rudolph.  

[Epstein's Mother]

40 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

My elite sources have confirmed:

 

Buffalo will draft at 12 & 22 next Thursday. Or they will move those picks and pick somewhere else. They may pick as high as 2 and as low as 32 in round 1. Also the guy they are locked into and WILL select will be both loved and hated on these boards. 

 

This is also my theory.  We must have the same elite source.

[ddaryl]

14 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Sometime instead of swinging at that high inside fastball so you don't miss it, you take the pitch.  You get to first on a walk.  You steal second.  The next guy up hits a slow roller to first and you get to third.  The next guys hits a long fly ball, and YOU SCORE!!

 

There's more than one way to skin a cat. 

 

This notion that you have to trade all your picks for a try at a golden armed franchise QB or you want to settle and are OK with bad QB play is glorified Horse **** IMHO.

 

 

But this year is not 2005 and the QB that slides to #12 won't be the 1st 2nd or 3rd QB off the board most likely at best we would get 4th choice....   Now unless the BIlls view the top 4 QB's with very close grades you would be better served going up and get the guy your team of scouts and coaches have identified as better than the rest.

 

This whole sit back an dlet the qb fall to us mentality is concerning because fortune favors the bold

Edited April 18, 2018 by ddaryl

[SoTier]

18 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

What type of flower is that, Leotus? 

 

Just messing, its Leodis. 

 

I thought it looked odd, but drafthistory.com has him as "Leotis" so I thought I had it wrong!

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, DasNootz said:

so wouldn't that say that there is no agreement in place...?

I don't think that is unusual.  Teams negotiate terms that are acceptable if they do decide to trade, but usually neither team wants to pull the trigger until the team with the higher draft pick is on the clock.  There may be unforeseen circumstances and events that waiting affords the opportunity to change their mind.  If another team were to come in and offer the Giants a lot more than Buffalo's offer, the Giants are free to take it.