GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I have no idea what it means, actually. What is meant by "natural accuracy" and how does it differ from "accuracy"? Haha. It is a fair question. I don't really use the phrase "natural accuracy" but I do use the phrase "natural inaccuracy." To me the latter is when there is no obvious technical flaw that would lead to a pass being inaccurate (footwork is good, delivery is good, base is solid etc) but it is inaccurate in any event. I suppose when you flip that you might say someone like Patrick Mahomes might have demonstrated "natural accuracy" in the sense that he was often pretty accurate in college despite the fundamentals being wrong. I did not see that on Peterman's tape in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Haha. It is a fair question. I don't really use the phrase "natural accuracy" but I do use the phrase "natural inaccuracy." To me the latter is when there is no obvious technical flaw that would lead to a pass being inaccurate (footwork is good, delivery is good, base is solid etc) but it is inaccurate in any event. I suppose when you flip that you might say someone like Patrick Mahomes might have demonstrated "natural accuracy" in the sense that he was often pretty accurate in college despite the fundamentals being wrong. I did not see that on Peterman's tape in any event. I asked my friend Mr Google and that was the sense I got from the results, that "natural accuracy" means something like "we're not sure how you got it there, but you did" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I asked my friend Mr Google and that was the sense I got from the results, that "natural accuracy" means something like "we're not sure how you got it there, but you did" I'd like you to read through an NFL scouting report and turn all the cliched jargon into plain English Hapless.... I am thinking that would be a fun thread! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he was accurate in college. His college film is filled with horrible inaccuracy. To me he is a classic case of getting the accuracy badge because he doesn't have a big arm. It is the classic cliche used to describe QBs with less than ideal arm strength "smart and accurate." My personal view on his college tape was the arm strength wasn't quite as bad as reported and the accuracy was nowhere near as good as reported. He played in a gimmicky college offense and you had talking head draft media calling him "pro-ready". I mean I know it is a thing on here at the moment to say nobody on this forum knows as much as guys who do this working for the networks but the draft media were way off base on Nathan Peterman. His college tape was horrible from the perspective of a pro-evaluation. All the "smart, accurate and pro-ready" stuff was just cliched rubbish from people who hadn't put the work in. He was borderline undraftable. The way he played in the league was absolutely zero surprise to me. He was a rookie. And while I'm sure there's a lot of group-think in the media and everywhere, guys like Mayock and the other tape monsters were just as high on him as the folks who are more going on highlights and rumors. As for his college film being filled with inaccuracy, I'm not seeing it. Watched the 2016 Clemson and Miami games and saw two or three really bad decisions (all against Miami), and three or four throws that seemed to take forever to get there, causing problems, but overall good accuracy despite the Miami defense consistently pressuring him and making his windows small as well on many or most plays. Not saying I expect him to ever be a starter, but I wouldn't rule it out either. I respect your work on QBs, Gunner, and I only watched the two games, but while I did see the floating, he looked accurate to me. I'll bow out for a while but will come back to read. Edited April 18, 2018 by Thurman#1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Not saying I expect him to ever be a starter, but I wouldn't rule it out either. I will and I stand 100% behind the judgment I had on him last year. He has no chance of making an NFL starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: I will and I stand 100% behind the judgment I had on him last year. He has no chance of making an NFL starter. When do you start working for the NFL? Lighten up man. Let the hate go free. Worry about the starter and not the backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: When do you start working for the NFL? Lighten up man. Let the hate go free. Worry about the starter and not the backup. I am not worried about the backup. The backup is AJ McCarron. Nate Peterman isn't even a lock to be on the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 The kid took some steps to try and improve. And that's good on him. Coming in last year he was way over hyped by a lot of fans and certain media because they wanted ANYONE other than Tyrod. Well, they got that against the Chargers. He was far from ready. He didn't go until the 5th round last year for a reason. That being he needed a lot of work. I'm not saying this kid will be an All-Pro, a Franchise QB, or even a starter in this league. But with some work I don't see any reason why he can't improve and be a really decent back up. Have himself a Matt Moore type career. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: When do you start working for the NFL? Lighten up man. Let the hate go free. Worry about the starter and not the backup. Gunner does as much work on QBs as anyone. He isn’t saying this in hindsight. I will guarantee that he saw MUCH more of these QBs than the average NFL analyst before the draft. FWIW, he has a very similar process of evaluating players to NFL teams. Gunner also isn’t a prisoner of groupthink. That’s one of the things that I respect most about the draft experts on here (and we have some). They will base their opinions, right or wrong, on what they see on tape. Watson was Gunner’s guy last year. He looks pretty smart on that. He (and Blokes) despised Peterman as a prospect. So far their thorough evaluations appear much more accurate than the talking heads. These guys put in A LOT of work and share their thorough and unbiased analysis. Just because it isn’t what we want to hear doesn’t make it wrong. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He isn't very accurate either. He sucks. 2018 will be his last year in the NFL. Love how people react and predict the future of players, especially QB's, after they started TWO games and one of them was in a snowstorm.... Edited April 18, 2018 by Azucho98 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Excellent, now he will be able to throw it into the hands of a defender even faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Wow. A lot of insane hatred for Peterman. That didn’t take long. We’ll done, all.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, Azucho98 said: Love how people react and predict the future of players, especially QB's, after they started ONE game. He started 2. I predicted his future before he started a single NFL game though...... in fact before he was drafted. Everyone will know where to find me if I end up being wrong. I won't be. Peterman sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 God forbid a guy works hard to make himself a better player 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He isn't very accurate either. He sucks. 2018 will be his last year in the NFL. Amazing breakdown thanks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 His first game was a historically bad game. All time NFL bad. At the same time, the rumors of a**holes on the OL and the game tape\mic'd up Joey Bosa seem to imply there is a little more at work here. Will he ever be Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady? No, never. He could however carve out for himself a decent backup career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: God forbid a guy works hard to make himself a better player Only if hes liked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He isn't very accurate either. He sucks. 2018 will be his last year in the NFL. Oh, come on. You and I both know that his 'skill set' will lead to at least 4-5 years in the league. Maybe 8-10 if he's a really good company man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he was accurate in college. His college film is filled with horrible inaccuracy. To me he is a classic case of getting the accuracy badge because he doesn't have a big arm. It is the classic cliche used to describe QBs with less than ideal arm strength "smart and accurate." My personal view on his college tape was the arm strength wasn't quite as bad as reported and the accuracy was nowhere near as good as reported. He played in a gimmicky college offense and you had talking head draft media calling him "pro-ready". I mean I know it is a thing on here at the moment to say nobody on this forum knows as much as guys who do this working for the networks but the draft media were way off base on Nathan Peterman. His college tape was horrible from the perspective of a pro-evaluation. All the "smart, accurate and pro-ready" stuff was just cliched rubbish from people who hadn't put the work in. He was borderline undraftable. The way he played in the league was absolutely zero surprise to me. You imply that you have a better sense for evaluating college qb's than most. So rank your top 5 college qb's entering the draft this year. I'm curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He started 2. I predicted his future before he started a single NFL game though...... in fact before he was drafted. Everyone will know where to find me if I end up being wrong. I won't be. Peterman sucks. He's already included here along with these other Bills' immortals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts