maryland-bills-fan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 How does the Bills o-line stack up against those of previous glory years? I think there were 3 previous periods when the Bills were good. The first was I the old AFL days but that is hard to evaluate since there were two leagues that for many years (until Broadway Joe) not evenly matched. The other two were the “Electric company” years and the K-gun years. There are a range (and I mean a range) of opinions as to how the Bills should proceed in this year's draft and the run from “Trade this and next year's draft for sure-thing QB X” (etc), through, trade up a little maybe, to “work on a foundation and draft QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. You might wonder how much in the way of higher draft picks those good Bills teams spent on their offensive line. Different eras, different styles of play were involved but where the players were drafted and how dominate they were compared to their peers gives an indication. Here is some rough information. =================================================The Electric Company. Position............player........,,,,,,,....draft pick............pro bowls. OT....................Foley,...................1st (#26)..............1 OG..................McKenzie.............2nd (#27)...............1 C......................Montler.................2nd (#32).............0 OG.................DeLamielleure.........1st (#26)..............6 OT...................Green......................5th (107)............0 TE....................Seymour................1st (#7)...............0 A few comments. The pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest and some great players were shut out by some of the all time greats. Seymour was drafted as an offensive tackle but played TE and as a 6th O-lineman helped block for OJ. …. Okay, a summary5of 6 drafted in the first two roundscost was 3360 total “draft points”8 pro bowl spots==============================================1992 BillsPosition............player........,,,,,,,....draft pick............pro bowls. OT...............Wolford …...............1st (#20)..................3 OG..............Richert.......................1st (#16)..................2 C..................Hull........................... ..??.........................3 OG..............Parker........................3rd (#69)..................0 OT …...........Ballard.....................11th (283).................2 TE...............McKeller....................9th (227)..................0 A few comments: Hull came over from the Generals where he signed before the 1983 NFL draft. McKeller only played one year of college football and was a basketball player who was a good receiver in the “K” gun offence.2 of 6 (more like 3 if Hull included) drafted in the first two roundscost was 2065 points not including Hull 10 pro bowl spots.================================================== ==1995 Bills Position............player........,,,,,,,....draft pick............pro bowls. OT.............Fina..........................1st (#27).....................0 OG............Brown......................1st (14th).....................8 pro bowls ! C..................Hull........................... ..??.........................3 OG..............Ostroski.................10th (271)....................0 OT …..........Parker.....................3rd (60)........................0 TE................Johnson.................2nd (61)......................03 of 6 ( 4 if Hull included) drafted in the first 2 roundscost was 2372 not counting Hull11 pro bowls spots2018 Bills (as of 4/9/18)Position............player........,,,,,,,....draft pick............pro bowls. OT............Dawkins.......................2nd (#63)...................0 OG............Incognito....................3rd (#81)....................4 C …...........Gray.............................UFA.. ........................0 …..............Boline.........................4th (#111)..................0 OG............Ducasse......................2nd (#61)...................0 OT............Mills............................5th (#163)..................0 TE............Clan............................6th (#174)..................02 of 6 in the 1st 2 rounds412 cost4 pro bowl spots========================================= 2018 Bills (as of 4/10/18) If Incognito actually has retiredPosition............player........,,,,,,,....draft pick............pro bowls. OT............Dawkins.......................2nd (#63)...................0 OG …...........Gray.............................UFA.. ........................0 C...............Boline.........................4th (#111)..................0 OG............Ducasse......................2nd (#61)...................0 OT............Mills............................5th (#163)..................0 TE............Clan............................6th (#174)..................02 of 6 in the 1st 2 rounds 227 cost 0 pro bowl spots So if you want to give Ken Hull a rating of middle the 2nd round (420 points)?? these would come out as Electric Company..........3360 1992 Bills.....................2465 1995 Bills.....................2792 2018 Bills......................412 or 227 Okay, you can find o-line gems in the lower rounds. BUT, I really think we have to pay serious attention to the o-line before we are back in the big time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsClinton Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 What Bills oline? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 They would do better to stand up against a line of glory holes.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Is this a serious question? A current o line that is in a huge state of flux, with 2 of the current lineman below average players vs the best lines in franchise history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The Bills don't have an offensive line right now so it's a moot point. But the Bills have had a consistently good to very good offensive line for the last five-six years or so, despite half of the fans always insisting that their offensive line always sucks even when it's good. You can't lead the league in rushing and YPC for two consecutive years and not have a good line. In 2012, Spiller averaged 6.0 YPC and they were the least sacked team in the league. They were good then too. But yes, this upcoming season will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, klos63 said: Is this a serious question? A current o line that is in a huge state of flux, with 2 of the current lineman below average players vs the best lines in franchise history? It's a rhetorical ploy by a poster who is adamantly against trading up for a qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Is this a serious question? A current o line that is in a huge state of flux, with 2 of the current lineman below average players vs the best lines in franchise history? Yes it is serious. There is a brand of posters here who say that all we need is a QB and we can say that we are in competition for a super bowl. We didn't win in those years just because of a QB. If we draft around #16, it would take two years of using the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks to spend up to getting such offensive lines. (If you are lucky). Maybe you might want to draft somebody like Biscuit or Talley or Paup along the way for the defense. A couple of defensive backs to cycle in and some good target wide receivers? Sounds like a 10-12 first day draft picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, maryland-bills-fan said: Yes it is serious. There is a brand of posters here who say that all we need is a QB and we can say that we are in competition for a super bowl. Literally no one says this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: It's a rhetorical ploy by a poster who is adamantly against trading up for a qb. The success rate for a the high first round is about 50%. Even if that were successful, we would have a crap offensive line, need two starting linebackers and one or two quality wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 How does it stack up vs. the OLines of the glory years? It doesn't. Four Pro Bowlers and a fifth in John Davis who deserved it as well. Those glory year OLines were among the best lines in history. They made the KGun possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Yes it is serious. There is a brand of posters here who say that all we need is a QB and we can say that we are in competition for a super bowl. We didn't win in those years just because of a QB. If we draft around #16, it would take two years of using the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks to spend up to getting such offensive lines. (If you are lucky). Maybe you might want to draft somebody like Biscuit or Talley or Paup along the way for the defense. A couple of defensive backs to cycle in and some good target wide receivers? Sounds like a 10-12 first day draft picks? I'm not sure if anyone has said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: The success rate for a the high first round is about 50%. Even if that were successful, we would have a crap offensive line, need two starting linebackers and one or two quality wide receivers. Bill's need a QB and will do their best to get one. 2 LB's are needed but they probably will get only 1. The OL will need to eat up 2 picks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maryland-bills-fan Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: How does it stack up vs. the OLines of the glory years? It doesn't. Four Pro Bowlers and a fifth in John Davis who deserved it as well. Those glory year OLines were among the best lines in history. They made the KGun possible. Thank you. The QB is very important. You have to give him weapons to use. In those good years, the Bills continually built by using 1st and 2nd round picks for linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, K-9 said: How does it stack up vs. the OLines of the glory years? It doesn't. Four Pro Bowlers and a fifth in John Davis who deserved it as well. Those glory year OLines were among the best lines in history. They made the KGun possible. where were they for the Super Bowls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Build both lines. And continually strengthen both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: How does it stack up vs. the OLines of the glory years? It doesn't. Four Pro Bowlers and a fifth in John Davis who deserved it as well. Those glory year OLines were among the best lines in history. They made the KGun possible. Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The current line of Dawkins, Ducasse, and Mills leaves something to be desired. I hope we don't plan on running between the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Question how does QB stack up to the Glory years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: The current line of Dawkins, Ducasse, and Mills leaves something to be desired. I hope we don't plan on running between the tackles. Need to draft more talent, cannot throw away picks for a QB that "might" be good. stay at 12 and keep picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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