Domdab99 Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Wily Dog said: It seems to me that you have all decided that you want go the SAFE route in the draft. We have been doing that for years for a QB. I think Beane will surprise you and you can whine and cry all you want to.This is a new era in Bill's organization. Big Balls Such a horrible take. This is not an either/or situation. Either trade up or don't. I have no problem with trading up to get our guy, UNLESS it's for a king's ransom. That's my point. It's not worth it. Not when a Lamar Jackson or Rudolph or someone else will be there for us. I guess if the FO thinks, say, Rosen is the 2nd coming of Peyton Manning, then, ok, I can see trading up for him by giving away the farm. But if Rosen is that good, why are the Giants not taking him? Remember, for a trade to happen, the Giants or the Browns or the Colts need to believe that trading DOWN is better than taking that potential franchise QB everyone on here is so willing to mortgage the future for. It's a sliding scale, not a yes/no thing. There should be a limit for which you are willing to trade up for. What is it? If there's not, you have no business discussing this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Domdab99 said: Such a horrible take. This is not an either/or situation. Either trade up or don't. I have no problem with trading up to get our guy, UNLESS it's for a king's ransom. That's my point. It's not worth it. Not when a Lamar Jackson or Rudolph or someone else will be there for us. I guess if the FO thinks, say, Rosen is the 2nd coming of Peyton Manning, then, ok, I can see trading up for him by giving away the farm. But if Rosen is that good, why are the Giants not taking him? Remember, for a trade to happen, the Giants or the Browns or the Colts need to believe that trading DOWN is better than taking that potential franchise QB everyone on here is so willing to mortgage the future for. It's a sliding scale, not a yes/no thing. There should be a limit for which you are willing to trade up for. What is it? If there's not, you have no business discussing this. But your point is that you don't want them to trade up if they are wrong, and if they can get a successful QB by not trading up then great! But the problem is that no one really knows who will be "the guy". The top 4 have been evaluated to go first for many reasons, if Beane identifies one as the guy he wants, he isn't going to want Rudolph at 22 or whenever. He is going to want X guy at X time. So once again it isn't about picking a QB, it is about picking the RIGHT QB, and Beane has a lot on his shoulders to get this right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Guy Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 pssst! we weren't going to the playoffs for the next three years anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 hours ago, What a Tuel said: But your point is that you don't want them to trade up if they are wrong, and if they can get a successful QB by not trading up then great! But the problem is that no one really knows who will be "the guy". The top 4 have been evaluated to go first for many reasons, if Beane identifies one as the guy he wants, he isn't going to want Rudolph at 22 or whenever. He is going to want X guy at X time. So once again it isn't about picking a QB, it is about picking the RIGHT QB, and Beane has a lot on his shoulders to get this right. That is it in a nutshell, they are "chicken" to trade up . 1 hour ago, That_Guy said: pssst! we weren't going to the playoffs for the next three years anyway We will be in the playoffs before then. ! Ye of little faith, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) I love absolutes. Didn't Rodak, after all the trades last offseason, say the season was over before it began...and then we broke the drought? While I understand the intent of the thread, the assertation that we will, with 100% certainty, not make the playoffs for a full three years should we trade up to #2 is a rather silly one. Anything can happen. Found it: http://www.espncricinfo.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/28518/bills-set-up-tyrod-taylor-to-fail-blow-up-2017-season-with-shocking-trades "BUFFALO -- Turn out the lights on the Buffalo Bills' 2017 season, because it is over before it started." Edited April 9, 2018 by The Red King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 18 hours ago, Wily Dog said: The top four are rated well above the rest and as i said the lower you go the less chance of success you have. I said i wanted you to draft a FRANCHISE QB .You by your actions are not going to get a franchise QB . You are going to get another backup. Beane has shown some big cajones in the past and i would expect him to do it again in the draft.A very good thing that a lot of you are not in a GM position. Little Cajones Oh if it was only that simple Maybe someone else jumps in and makes a trade ruining our plans...... Maybe the asking price ends up being too much Gotta have a plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, That_Guy said: pssst! we weren't going to the playoffs for the next three years anyway Who wasn't and why not? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? We went with the worst QB in the entire NFL. how can we not with someone better (anyone is bettsr)? Edited April 9, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 17 hours ago, reddogblitz said: but maybe he will. You know the argument (and it's a good one) Tommy Russell Wilson Brett Favre DrewBreez Kurt Warner Matt Hasselbeck tony Romo Kirk Cousins Derek Carr Johnny Unitas ... Those Qbs highlighted were not expected to play early or compete for the starting position. Buffalo has a 5th rder who played horrible his rookie year and a career back up. Any qb drafted will be the most talented QB on the roster and expected to play early. Extremely risky and probably stupid to assume you are smarter than 32 other franchises to rate a 6-10 rated QB in this class a franchise Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, Mat68 said: Those Qbs highlighted were not expected to play early or compete for the starting position. Buffalo has a 5th rder who played horrible his rookie year and a career back up. Any qb drafted will be the most talented QB on the roster and expected to play early. Extremely risky and probably stupid to assume you are smarter than 32 other franchises to rate a 6-10 rated QB in this class a franchise Qb. Saying Nasty Nate is a "career backup" is generous IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Saying Nasty Nate is a "career backup" is generous IMHO. Mccarron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, Mat68 said: Mccarron He played horrible his rookie year? How so? He didn't even play his rookie year. http://www.nfl.com/player/ajmccarron/2543497/profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 hours ago, The Red King said: I love absolutes. Didn't Rodak, after all the trades last offseason, say the season was over before it began...and then we broke the drought? While I understand the intent of the thread, the assertation that we will, with 100% certainty, not make the playoffs for a full three years should we trade up to #2 is a rather silly one. Anything can happen. Found it: http://www.espncricinfo.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/28518/bills-set-up-tyrod-taylor-to-fail-blow-up-2017-season-with-shocking-trades "BUFFALO -- Turn out the lights on the Buffalo Bills' 2017 season, because it is over before it started." Wow you found an example by a P*TS fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Wow you found an example by a P*TS fan! I did, but the example holds. He wasn't the only one saying the season was already over at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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