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Just now, John from Riverside said:

Because its lazy paroted thinking that fits their narrative.

 

Yes you need a QB that will throw from the pocket when he is forced to

 

and yes Lamar Jackson is that QB

 

I'll go as far as saying this. Lamar Jackson is a quarterback. If his film says anything but that to you, you're doing it wrong.

 

His mobility is a plus in theory. PFF put out a stat about 70% of his rushing yards being on designed runs, not scrambles. If you watch the games, you should tell the difference between a scramble and a zone read or inverted veer play.

 

Does Lamar need work? Of course. His feet get too narrow, causes accuracy issues. He can look to escape pressure but he does a good job of keeping his eyes up against the rush. I think the biggest difference between him and Tyrod is that Lamar wants to be a passer and will stick with his reads longer. He's more intuitive and aggressive as a passer.

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Although I'm not a fan of pro day workouts, I wonder what the naysayers reactions will be when he aces his!! 

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Just now, Chicken Boo said:

49% completion percentage 9TDs 9INTs against SEC competition. 

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1 minute ago, 502Buffs said:

Are you comparing Lamar to JP Losman?

 

Not unreasonable.

 

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23 minutes ago, 502Buffs said:

Feel free to criticize anything I'm about to type here, but I implore you to read the entire post first because I simply don't understand why more Bills fans refuse to jump on the Lamar Jackson train.

 

He threw for more one more touchdown than Rosen and Darnold in a much tougher conference on a less talented team. (this is coming from a Louisville fan so please, call me biased, I'll be the first to admit it) He ran for 50 touchdowns in his career. He threw for 27 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in his last year while rushing for 18 touchdowns. This is following a year in which he won the Heisman trophy and every coach is keying in on stopping him more than any other single player. He had the same amount of interceptions as Rosen last year, yet Rosen is consistently crowned by "experts" as the most polished, accurate, NFL ready QB in the draft, while Jackson is considered the most innacurate QB in the draft...WHAT??

 

Experts praise Allen for his arm strength and how much zip he can put on the ball, he's also praised for his big frame. Meanwhile Jackson is only 2 inches shorter than Allen...oh and here's a video of Lamar throwing a football 95 yards in high school: 

 

If that video is too low quality for you I understand. Here's a video of Jackson nearly breaking dude's fingers in 2014:

 

 

The receivers' reactions say it all.

 

Lamar Jackson had the highest receiver drop rate in the country last year. Why is this? Because he has an absolute ROCKET of an arm. One of the main criticisms of Jackson is his poor completion percentage. Here are the completion stats for each of the top QB prospects last year per sports-reference.com.

Darnold: 64.9%

Mayfield: 70.5%

Rosen: 62.6%

Allen: 56.2%

Jackson: 57% With the highest receiver drop rate in the country

 

He's consistently had a laxkluster offensive line during his tenure while going up against some of the best defensive lines in the country in the ACC. His running back was a quarterback converted to receiver (with the emergence of Jackson) converted again to running back in Jackson's final year. With this being said Jackson's statistics are absolutely unprecedented. Michael Vick has gone on record several times saying Jackson is better than he was at that age, which for whatever reason seems to mean nothing to anybody.

 

2001 Michael Vick: 6'0 210lbs

2018 Lamar Jackson: 6'3 200lbs

 

Experts also question his football IQ...take away your bias if who he is as a man, if you don't think Bobby Petrino runs one of the more complicated offensive systems in football then I have to question whether you actually watch both college and professional football or if you just allow yourself to be spoon-fed whatever NFL Network and ESPN tells you. During Jackson's freshman year when he came in and dominated Bobby Petrino went on record as saying Jackson didn't even know the majority of the plays yet when he got his first start. The next year he had one of the best statistical season in history and won the Heisman trophy over Deshaun Watson who probably would have won it almost any other year with his 2016-17 stats and is currently looking like the best QB from last years draft.

 

Football IQ can be taught, talent cannot.

 

I'm not going to sully this post by trying to make the case for Jackson being the victim of some systemic racial QB bias, but the case these so-called experts make for the rest of the quarterbacks in this draft being a better prospect than Jackson just do not make any sense to me. The only quarterback I think who may be a better prospect than Jackson is Mayfield. There are holes all over this roster despite our lucking into the playoffs last year on a miracle throw/upset. Trading up into the top 5 to take a Rosen or Allen would be a huge mistake IMO when we can draft Jackson at either 12 or 22 and use our other 5 picks in the top 3 rounds to take franchise players who will KEEP us in the playoffs.

 

Thanks for reading. Feel free to make a counter argument, but I'm going to finish this post with his highlights from last year and I just want you to imagine a backfield with Lamar Jackson and Shady McCoy and tell me that wouldn't be a fun time to be a Bills fan.

 

 

I would take him at 12 and his entire rookie year redshirted and continue to address his mechanics. He really should have stayed in school. 

 

But if Lamar Jackson is the pick i do not want to see him on the field this year fix his mechanics

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4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

He has the weakest arm of any QB in the draft - 49 MPH. 

 

Rarely ever does a QB with an arm that weak have any success. Deshaun Watson is the only one I can think of (his was also 49 MPH). Jackson could become another exception but it's a huge gamble.

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Not very accurate. Holds onto the ball too long.

 

No thank you. Just had a few years of that with Tyrod.

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Oh, one other thing.

 

If you think he needs to switch positions, go with RB and not WR. He actually has RB traits.

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Being able to escape the pocket is a positive. Being fast and able to elude defenders is a positive. The way people around here talk about it you'd think these are disadvantages. It's not enough for an NFL QB but it is a plus. I'd rather have that than another Bradford type which is what scares me about Rosen.

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Just now, Blokestradamus said:

Oh, one other thing.

 

If you think he needs to switch positions, go with RB and not WR. He actually has RB traits.

 

I don't think he needs to switch positions. I just don't want him anywhere near Buffalo as a QB.

 

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2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Not very accurate. Holds onto the ball too long.

 

No thank you. Just had a few years of that with Tyrod.

We're not talking Josh Allen here

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Just now, MJS said:

Not very accurate. Holds onto the ball too long.

 

No thank you. Just had a few years of that with Tyrod.

People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will.

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2 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

Oh, one other thing.

 

If you think he needs to switch positions, go with RB and not WR. He actually has RB traits.

Did anyone even watch the highlight video I posted? Several NFL throws in there. He doesn't need to change positions.

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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

I don't think he needs to switch positions. I just don't want him anywhere near Buffalo as a QB.

 

 

I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now.

 

 

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1 minute ago, 502Buffs said:

People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will.

 

You think.

 

Those who've built Lamar Jackson into Football Jesus are just as guilty as the Rosen fanclub of assuming his game is able to be successful in the NFL.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I'll go as far as saying this. Lamar Jackson is a quarterback. If his film says anything but that to you, you're doing it wrong.

 

His mobility is a plus in theory. PFF put out a stat about 70% of his rushing yards being on designed runs, not scrambles. If you watch the games, you should tell the difference between a scramble and a zone read or inverted veer play.

 

Does Lamar need work? Of course. His feet get too narrow, causes accuracy issues. He can look to escape pressure but he does a good job of keeping his eyes up against the rush. I think the biggest difference between him and Tyrod is that Lamar wants to be a passer and will stick with his reads longer. He's more intuitive and aggressive as a passer.

I agree with this assessment.

 

First....let me say that he is not my top choice in the trade up scenarios.....my top 3 are Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield

 

BUT

 

You cannot just give up on finding a qb if all of our plans go to crap trying to move into the top 10......and frankly if I can get a quality prospect (even if they need to sit a year) and NOT have to give up all my accumulated picks that is very very enticing to me......we need LB's, pass catchers, and OL also

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1 minute ago, 502Buffs said:

People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will.

 

I'm all for versatility, but the biggest, most important thing for a QB is accuracy. 2nd is decision making.

 

Tyrod wasn't accurate and he didn't make decisions because he didn't want to throw a pick and couldn't read the field well enough to operate quickly.

 

I see some of those same traits in Jackson, even though he is more talented.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

That us totally unreasonable.....as are your takes in this situation.

 

:lol:

 

Preach on, Bishop John.


preach on.

 

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1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I really have no objections to anyone that dislikes him as a QB. I'm hesitant to draft him if I'm the Bills GM because I don't want someone that needs time, I want Mr Right Now.

 

 

Interesting. The Bills don't have a right now roster, and probably won't approach that until next offseason/ draft at least. 

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2 minutes ago, 502Buffs said:

People keep trashing Tyrod's game, but I'm pretty sure he just helped us end a 17 year playoff drought in a year where everyone thought we were tanking. With that being said, he's twice the prospect Tyrod is/was. The game has changed, folks. Versatility is a good thing. It just depends on if we have the coaching staff to coach him up, because if we don't, someone else will.

Yes being able to Move INSIDE a pocket is vital. 

 

It comes down to one belief with Jackson. 

 

Do you think you can fix his major mechanical issues. If the answer is yes then his accuracy improves and he can succeed in the NFL. 

 

If you do not think you can fix them then you Do NOT draft him

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