1billsfan Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Derby Dan said: I cannot believe we are discussing this loser still. Please stop Arians = Idiot LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: As for your comparison of the two, it's as if you're saying all sports cars are the same. However, Taylor is a Camaro and Jackson is a Lamborghini. Haha, take a look at the lower half of Jackson, toothpick legs. Comparing players let's say a NFL player is like a real Mack truck and Jackson a little school girl. Jackson will get creamed in the NFL, lots of IR is in his career IMO Edited April 15, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billspro Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 2018-04-13 at 6:31 AM, Buddy Hix said: I like Jackson, not as much as Mayfield or Darnold but when the cost of moving up is factored in I think Jackson would be a good selection. Watson's accuracy was questioned last year and he looked great, so that critique doesn't scare me off of Jackson. I'm pretty much good with anybody but Allen and Ruldolph, as long as it doesn't cost the Bills next year's 1st as well. I tried numerous times to tell people Watson didn’t have accuracy issues. In fact my passing comparison for him was Drew Brees. Watson was the most underrated QB prospect in years. Jackson on the other hand does have accuracy issues. He has more over throws on tape then any other QB in the top ten prospects. The concerns about his accuracy are very legitimate. His running ability may be able to overcome his deficiencies as a passer. The other problem with Jackson is he beat up on lesser talented defences but did not have a good game against any of his top opponents this year. Watson always showed up in the big games. This comparison needs to end, they are very different players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 These four games show Jackson against NFL talent. It also shows a blueprint on how good NFL defences would stop him. I honestly can’t see this guy being able to beat a Belichick coached defence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 4/14/2018 at 6:14 AM, xRUSHx said: Why get rid of Tyrod if your just going to draft a QB just like him. No thanks I want a true pocket QB. Hey dont give Jackson too much to learn did his pushers see his WLscore? Limited in a simplified system, Tyrod all over again. It is sad how some want to settle for what is left, the old Whaley way. I'd rather see this staff take a real swing at getting better. Is it just me or is it the old Tyrod diehards on these boards that are pushing hard to draft his clone? Looking at the names posting support for Jackson sure like the same ones that wouldn' t let Tyrod go. I can hear them now, McCoy is only good because Jackson makes him be a better RB, if the OC would just dumb down the system and Taylor make it for Jackson we would be great. JMO because HE ISNT JUST LIKE HIM.....only to the lazy posters 5 minutes ago, billspro said: These four games show Jackson against NFL talent. It also shows a blueprint on how good NFL defences would stop him. I honestly can’t see this guy being able to beat a Belichick coached defence. Do you think that none of these top 3 qbs dont have bad throws? Get sacked? There was PLENTY of solid plays by Jackson in those clips. And very little NFL talent on those teams to help him going against colleges with first round picks on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Derby Dan said: Jackson won’t make it I cant take anything you take seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Derby Dan said: I cannot believe we are discussing this loser still. Please stop 2 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: Jackson won’t make it who hurt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: Should I care. Just silly to keep discuiing nonsense Dumbest comment yet I think you should care more about your 3rd person posts.....you are easily the biggest clown we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Derby Dan said: We want Allen Who is the we? You got a mouse in your pocket? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: The brain trust at obd Will you please stop acting like you actually know something? Nobody believes you Everyone thinks your full of doo doo I agree with everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: Okay, your opinion I cannot tell you the people who privately write me for the scoop If the voices in your head start telling you to hurt yourself....seek help sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: because HE ISNT JUST LIKE HIM.....only to the lazy posters Do you think that none of these top 3 qbs dont have bad throws? Get sacked? There was PLENTY of solid plays by Jackson in those clips. And very little NFL talent on those teams to help him going against colleges with first round picks on defense. Almost all of them were runs though. If you just looks at the throws that is 5th round QB play. I can show you much more advanced passing from Logan Woodside if you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Iamkrgr Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Lamar Jackson is a really good prospect. If none of Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold are available (to pick or to trade for) i'd probably take Jackson at 12. I think under the right coaching staff/system he could be really good. From everything i've read and watched of Jackson he's got a terrific work ethic. Concerns of a dual threat QB being more susceptible to injury are overblown. Injuries are more of a factor when a player has had previous injuries, suspect work ethic, or in a lot of cases poor luck. I personally want one of Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold but i wouldn't be the least bit upset if Lamar Jackson is our consolation prize. He is not Tyrod 2.0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Haha, take a look at the lower half of Jackson, toothpick legs. Comparing players let's say a NFL player is like a real Mack truck and Jackson a little school girl. Jackson will get creamed in the NFL, lots of IR is in his career IMO He hasn't an injury in his collegiate career unlike Rosen, the pocket passer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 On 4/14/2018 at 7:34 AM, stuvian said: I think Jackson is the surest thing at QB in this draft. If we take him at 12 without trading up it would be icing on the cake I like Jackson, but I respectfully disagree. I would not be upset if we took him without a trade-up, but I would prefer if we could somehow trade up and get Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold, pretty much in that order. 2 hours ago, billspro said: Almost all of them were runs though. If you just looks at the throws that is 5th round QB play. I can show you much more advanced passing from Logan Woodside if you would like. You really can't, sorry. I understand about watching Jackson on film. The runs are so astonishing that it's hard to watch the things you need to watch to evaluate a passer. Skycap (I think) turned me on to a video that was just Jackson's TD throws, which was the first time I was able to notice that he was really a pretty good passer. This evaluation by Cover1 is pretty good: https://www.cover1.net/scouting-report-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville/ I don't believe he's one of the top 3 QB in the draft, but he's a far better passer than he gets credit for with many. He threw for 3500 yds and 30 TD last year and 3600 yds/27 TD this year, TD/INT about 3:1. Those are actually very similar passing stats to Josh Rosen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I like Jackson, but I respectfully disagree. I would not be upset if we took him without a trade-up, but I would prefer if we could somehow trade up and get Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold, pretty much in that order. You really can't, sorry. I understand about watching Jackson on film. The runs are so astonishing that it's hard to watch the things you need to watch to evaluate a passer. Skycap (I think) turned me on to a video that was just Jackson's TD throws, which was the first time I was able to notice that he was really a pretty good passer. This evaluation by Cover1 is pretty good: https://www.cover1.net/scouting-report-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville/ I don't believe he's one of the top 3 QB in the draft, but he's a far better passer than he gets credit for with many. He threw for 3500 yds and 30 TD last year and 3600 yds/27 TD this year, TD/INT about 3:1. Those are actually very similar passing stats to Josh Rosen. Thank you for posting this - but I’ve linked Cover1 scouting reports and put out stats and information - those who discredit all those sources, simply decide NOT to like Jackson despite objective data. I’m sure not anywhere close to all or even some, but there is a faction who just don’t like Jackson because he looks like Tyrod - even though he is much, much better already - any type of comparison behind and ends with Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I like Jackson, but I respectfully disagree. I would not be upset if we took him without a trade-up, but I would prefer if we could somehow trade up and get Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold, pretty much in that order. You really can't, sorry. I understand about watching Jackson on film. The runs are so astonishing that it's hard to watch the things you need to watch to evaluate a passer. Skycap (I think) turned me on to a video that was just Jackson's TD throws, which was the first time I was able to notice that he was really a pretty good passer. This evaluation by Cover1 is pretty good: https://www.cover1.net/scouting-report-qb-lamar-jackson-louisville/ I don't believe he's one of the top 3 QB in the draft, but he's a far better passer than he gets credit for with many. He threw for 3500 yds and 30 TD last year and 3600 yds/27 TD this year, TD/INT about 3:1. Those are actually very similar passing stats to Josh Rosen. Hapless, I respect your opinion but I do believe Jackson is in the top 3. The stats you reference above were produced with less than NFL players. Meaning none of his teammates were able to crack a NFL roster. That's why I'd rank him over Darnold. Darnold had some pretty good talent around him. He also protects the ball better than Darnold. Honestly, the only one I'd rank above him is this year's Heisman trophy winner. Edited April 16, 2018 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 3:56 PM, 502Buffs said: Feel free to criticize anything I'm about to type here, but I implore you to read the entire post first because I simply don't understand why more Bills fans refuse to jump on the Lamar Jackson train. He threw for more one more touchdown than Rosen and Darnold in a much tougher conference on a less talented team. (this is coming from a Louisville fan so please, call me biased, I'll be the first to admit it) He ran for 50 touchdowns in his career. He threw for 27 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in his last year while rushing for 18 touchdowns. This is following a year in which he won the Heisman trophy and every coach is keying in on stopping him more than any other single player. He had the same amount of interceptions as Rosen last year, yet Rosen is consistently crowned by "experts" as the most polished, accurate, NFL ready QB in the draft, while Jackson is considered the most innacurate QB in the draft...WHAT?? Experts praise Allen for his arm strength and how much zip he can put on the ball, he's also praised for his big frame. Meanwhile Jackson is only 2 inches shorter than Allen...oh and here's a video of Lamar throwing a football 95 yards in high school: If that video is too low quality for you I understand. Here's a video of Jackson nearly breaking dude's fingers in 2014: The receivers' reactions say it all. Lamar Jackson had the highest receiver drop rate in the country last year. Why is this? Because he has an absolute ROCKET of an arm. One of the main criticisms of Jackson is his poor completion percentage. Here are the completion stats for each of the top QB prospects last year per sports-reference.com. Darnold: 64.9% Mayfield: 70.5% Rosen: 62.6% Allen: 56.2% Jackson: 57% With the highest receiver drop rate in the country He's consistently had a laxkluster offensive line during his tenure while going up against some of the best defensive lines in the country in the ACC. His running back was a quarterback converted to receiver (with the emergence of Jackson) converted again to running back in Jackson's final year. With this being said Jackson's statistics are absolutely unprecedented. Michael Vick has gone on record several times saying Jackson is better than he was at that age, which for whatever reason seems to mean nothing to anybody. 2001 Michael Vick: 6'0 210lbs 2018 Lamar Jackson: 6'3 200lbs Experts also question his football IQ...take away your bias if who he is as a man, if you don't think Bobby Petrino runs one of the more complicated offensive systems in football then I have to question whether you actually watch both college and professional football or if you just allow yourself to be spoon-fed whatever NFL Network and ESPN tells you. During Jackson's freshman year when he came in and dominated Bobby Petrino went on record as saying Jackson didn't even know the majority of the plays yet when he got his first start. The next year he had one of the best statistical season in history and won the Heisman trophy over Deshaun Watson who probably would have won it almost any other year with his 2016-17 stats and is currently looking like the best QB from last years draft. Football IQ can be taught, talent cannot. I'm not going to sully this post by trying to make the case for Jackson being the victim of some systemic racial QB bias, but the case these so-called experts make for the rest of the quarterbacks in this draft being a better prospect than Jackson just do not make any sense to me. The only quarterback I think who may be a better prospect than Jackson is Mayfield. There are holes all over this roster despite our lucking into the playoffs last year on a miracle throw/upset. Trading up into the top 5 to take a Rosen or Allen would be a huge mistake IMO when we can draft Jackson at either 12 or 22 and use our other 5 picks in the top 3 rounds to take franchise players who will KEEP us in the playoffs. Thanks for reading. Feel free to make a counter argument, but I'm going to finish this post with his highlights from last year and I just want you to imagine a backfield with Lamar Jackson and Shady McCoy and tell me that wouldn't be a fun time to be a Bills fan. I can't simply because i watched him the last two years in Louisville, the area where I live. Great athlete, simply not the accurate stong armed passer needed. I say. Get off this bandwagon......Now............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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