RPbillsfan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 With the unfortunate Zay Jones incident the Bills are now less inclined to give away draft capital. The list of needs has now expanded to both deep threat and slot receiver along with QB, CB, LB and DT. Salary cap money is limited and what would be required to move up is too costly to give any of the picks we currently have. I felt before this sorry excuse of public conduct that Zay would be much improved this year at the Slot receiver position. Now we are looking at probably a 4 game suspension for conduct and possibly even worse if drugs are involved. Its not all gloom and doom, outside of Darnold, the other three of the "big four" are flawed in ways that may not be correctable. Give me Lamar Jackson at 12, the LB Vander Eshe or Evans at 22. WR DJ Chark at 53, DT Harrison Phillips at 56, C Frank Ragnow at 65, CB Holton Hill at 96 and hopefully in the 4th WR Deshean Hamilton of Penn State 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 But how will you feel when we trade up to 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NickelCity said: But how will you feel when we trade up to 2? Very depressed to be honest with you. Darnold's pro day locked him as the top QB. Don't want anything to do with Rosen (concussion history and pocket awareness that will lead to more hits and concussions), Allen (Accuracy issues, two year minimum development time before he can even play), or Mayfield (Can't fix short and he's a stats guy playing in a system to give him lots of easy completions and played in an awful defensive conference, and is too high strung emotionally for my tastes) So, if we trade up to the 2nd pick I would be very unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Get Calvin Ridley and take a QB with the 2nd 1st round pick. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Get a grip. Read some Buddhist teachings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Better not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Most sensible draft I've seen thus far... I'd rather grab Da'Ron Payne at 12, but I could live with this mock .. -It's not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Calvin Ridley is a bad athlete. He'll fall come draft day. His combine was bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, #34fan said: Most sensible draft I've seen thus far... I'd rather grab Da'Ron Payne at 12, but I could live with this mock .. -It's not bad. Payne is a monster. Ridley gets it done on the field - who cares about the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Very depressed to be honest with you. Darnold's pro day locked him as the top QB. Don't want anything to do with Rosen (concussion history and pocket awareness that will lead to more hits and concussions), Allen (Accuracy issues, two year minimum development time before he can even play), or Mayfield (Can't fix short and he's a stats guy playing in a system to give him lots of easy completions and played in an awful defensive conference, and is too high strung emotionally for my tastes) So, if we trade up to the 2nd pick I would be very unhappy. I disagree that Darnold's pro day locked him in as the top QB. Teams aren't foolish enough to over evaluate making throws in t-shirts and shorts. When the real bullets are flying, Darnold has a whole season of poor decisions that dont get erased by a pro day. Darnold is likely still in the same spot on the board today as he was with each team. He came out and did what he was expected and supposed to do. So I dont know why people keep making such a big deal about it. If you are a team with him as your top QB, then all it did was reassure you of that. If you have Rosen or Baker at #1, nothing today probably changed that because its not like Rosen or Baker had bad pro days and Darnold somehow had a better one. There are teams who see him as #1, just like I am sure there are teams who rank one or more of the other guys ahead of him. The only question that matters is who the Browns see as the top QB right now. Edited March 22, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) I disagree. I don't think he impacted the draft. They probably had plans to do better before the Zay arrest. Edited March 22, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I disagree that Darnold's pro day locked him in as the top QB. Teams aren't foolish enough to over evaluate making throws in t-shirts and shorts. When the real bullets are flying, Darnold has a whole season of poor decisions that dont get erased by a pro day. Darnold is likely still in the same spot on the board today as he was with each team. He came out and did what he was expected and supposed to do. So I dont know why people keep making such a big deal about it. If you are a team with him as your top QB, then all it did was reassure you of that. If you have Rosen or Baker at #1, nothing today probably changed that because its not like Rosen or Baker had bad pro days and Darnold somehow had a better one. There are teams who see him as #1, just like I am sure there are teams who rank one or more of the other guys ahead of him. The only question that matters is who the Browns see as the top QB right now. Dude... It POURED in LA during his workout. -It seemed like the clouds WAITED for him to start throwing, so they could dump on him... EVERY FREAKIN' BODY WAS THERE! -Kid never batted an eye... Spun the ball so clean and accurate, you'd swear it was 75 and sunny outside... Color me impressed with his throwing ability in bad weather. Edited March 22, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Lfod said: I disagree. I don't think he impacted the draft. They probably had plans to do better before the Zay arrest. It had plans to add to Zay... I was never sold on Zay as an outside guy... I felt like he needed time to grow into that role. I've always thought we would draft a WR early & that still haven't change for me. If Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore is there at 22....i think it's a no brainer... if not... take Rashaan Evans, then take DJ Chark in the 2nd rd. Deonte Thompson & man the slot until Day comes back in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: Dude... It POURED in LA during his workout. -It seemed like the clouds WAITED for him to start throwing, so they could dump on him... EVERY FREAKIN' BODY WAS THERE! -Kid never batted an eye... Spun the ball so clean and accurate, you'd swear it was 75 and sunny outside... Color me impressed with his throwing ability in bad weather. LMAO, Except your hilariously exaggerated description of the weather is not close to accurate. I live in LA, it didn't rain that hard at all nor did it rain for long and I was near the stadium during his workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: LMAO, Except your hilariously exaggerated description of the weather is not close to accurate. I live in LA, it didn't rain that hard at all nor did it rain for long and I was near the stadium during his workout. I just watched the recording of the whole workout... It was a generous soaking... I used to live in LA too, and I know how bad it can rain sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 WR is probably our weakest position. Benjamin came into camp out of shape almost every year in Carolina and has had injury problems throughout his career. We still don't have a WR that can effectively stretch the field. Now we have the Jones incident. Last year's WR class performed terribly as a whole their rookie year. This year's class doesn't look much better. We need to at least resign Thompson and draft a WR with speed we lost when letting Goodwin and Watkins go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: I just watched the recording of the whole workout... It was a generous soaking... I used to live in LA too, and I know how bad it can rain sometimes. Except I was there and it wasn't lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except I was there and it wasn't lol I'm watching it right now, and the rain is reall coming down.... Darnold is frickin' soaked... The WR's are running on slop... First you said you were "near" the stadium, now you're saying you were actually "there" -Which one is it? Edited March 22, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, RPbillsfan said: Very depressed to be honest with you. Darnold's pro day locked him as the top QB. Don't want anything to do with Rosen (concussion history and pocket awareness that will lead to more hits and concussions), Allen (Accuracy issues, two year minimum development time before he can even play), or Mayfield (Can't fix short and he's a stats guy playing in a system to give him lots of easy completions and played in an awful defensive conference, and is too high strung emotionally for my tastes) So, if we trade up to the 2nd pick I would be very unhappy. Based on this response it is evident that you never were on board with a trade-up and we're just waiting for a tragedy to happen to attach your reluctance to. So cheer up Francis, dreams can come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 hours ago, RPbillsfan said: With the unfortunate Zay Jones incident the Bills are now less inclined to give away draft capital. The list of needs has now expanded to both deep threat and slot receiver along with QB, CB, LB and DT. Salary cap money is limited and what would be required to move up is too costly to give any of the picks we currently have. I felt before this sorry excuse of public conduct that Zay would be much improved this year at the Slot receiver position. Now we are looking at probably a 4 game suspension for conduct and possibly even worse if drugs are involved. Its not all gloom and doom, outside of Darnold, the other three of the "big four" are flawed in ways that may not be correctable. Give me Lamar Jackson at 12, the LB Vander Eshe or Evans at 22. WR DJ Chark at 53, DT Harrison Phillips at 56, C Frank Ragnow at 65, CB Holton Hill at 96 and hopefully in the 4th WR Deshean Hamilton of Penn State Doubtful Chark ad Phillips fall to 53 and 56 respectively. Both could be 1st rd picks. If beane were to attack the draft hoping for Chark and Phillips in rd 2, it would be an epic fail. Slim chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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