bills in oregon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Does the Wunderlic score matter to GM’s anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 LOL. Ask @Gugny Any original material out there? Other than re-hashed Tweets and “expert” mock drafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, bills in oregon said: Does the Wunderlic score matter to GM’s anymore The range of the score does matter. Unfortunately it is a huge strike if the player cannot spell wonder. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: The range of the score does matter. Unfortunately it is a huge strike if the player cannot spell wonder. Haha OP is now off my draft board. That's like how you get 200 points on the SAT for spelling your name correctly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 48 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard QB 48 Greg McElroy Alabama QB 43 Jason Maas Oregon QB 42 Blaine Gabbert Missouri QB 42 Drew Henson Michigan QB Top 5 ever scores for QBs. Yeah. That's an all time great QB list, huh? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: 48 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard QB 48 Greg McElroy Alabama QB 43 Jason Maas Oregon QB 42 Blaine Gabbert Missouri QB 42 Drew Henson Michigan QB Top 5 ever scores for QBs. Yeah. That's an all time great QB list, huh? Blake Bortles could actually be good if he didn’t suck so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: 48 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard QB 48 Greg McElroy Alabama QB 43 Jason Maas Oregon QB 42 Blaine Gabbert Missouri QB 42 Drew Henson Michigan QB Top 5 ever scores for QBs. Yeah. That's an all time great QB list, huh? You miss the point of the test. They aren’t looking for a research scientist . What they. don’t want is dolts like Vince Young and his 6. Most successful QBs score above the average which is 20 I believe ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 it must matter..look at Tyrod and Spiller's results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, prissythecat said: You miss the point of the test. They aren’t looking for a research scientist . What they. don’t want is dolts like Vince Young and his 6. Most successful QBs score above the average which is 20 I believe ? Yeah, they're looking for guys in the mid-20's to mid-30's. The extremes raise red flags. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 maybe, maybe not. depends on who you ask but they might not tell the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hopefully you can spell IQ test correctly. The Wonderlich is a test made for quarterbacks to make sure you're not Vince Young stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, bills in oregon said: Does the Wunderlic score matter to GM’s anymore Im sure there is concern if it’s extremely low. But once you pass that number it’s a check mark Edited March 22, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, prissythecat said: You miss the point of the test. They aren’t looking for a research scientist . What they. don’t want is dolts like Vince Young and his 6. Most successful QBs score above the average which is 20 I believe ? 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, they're looking for guys in the mid-20's to mid-30's. The extremes raise red flags. I know prissy, I was making a joke. Here is a wall of text I copied from an article online. It is good info from last year's QB tests. here are the present Super Bowl winning quarterbacks currently active in the NFL and their Wonderlic scores: Eli Manning 39 Aaron Rodgers 35 Tom Brady 33 Drew Brees 28 Russell Wilson 28 Joe Flacco 27 Ben Roethlisberger 25 This means the average Super Bowl winning quarterback scored a 30.7. (That’s not counting Brady’s 33 five times or Eli Manning’s 39 twice either. If you did that the average score bumps up to 32.3) That’s statistically significant. How did this year’s 2017 quarterback prospects score? Brad Kaaya 34 Nathan Peterman 33 Trevor Knight 30 Josh Dobbs 29 Deshone Kizer 28 CJ Beathard 26 Mitch Trubisky 25 Davis Webb 25 Patrick Mahomes 24 Chad Kelly 22 Jerod Evans 21 Deshaun Watson 20 … And how have current or recent NFL draft picks at quarterback scored? (Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are in bold). Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard 48 Blaine Gabbert, Missouri 42 Alex Smith, Utah 40 Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 40 Eli Manning, Ole Miss 39 Matthew Stafford, Georgia 38 Tony Romo, Eastern Illinois 37 Andrew Luck, Stanford 37 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 37 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36 Jared Goff, Cal 36 Aaron Rodgers, Cal 35 Matt Leinart, USC 35 Christian Ponder, FSU 35 Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M 34 Tom Brady, Michigan 33 Steve Young, BYU 33 Marcus Mariota, Oregon 33 Matt Ryan, Boston College 32 Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 32 Philip Rivers, N.C. State 30 John Elway, Stanford 29 Andy Dalton, TCU 29 Peyton Manning, Tennessee 28 Drew Brees, Purdue 28 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 28 E.J. Manuel, FSU 28 Blake Bortles, Central Florida 28 Joe Flacco, Delaware 27 Jameis Winston, Florida State 27 Josh Freeman, Kansas State 27 Mike Glennon, N.C. State 26 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 26 Carson Palmer, USC 26 Ryan Mallet, Arkansas 26 Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (Ohio) 25 Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 25 Brock Osweiler, Colorado State 25 Robert Griffin III, Baylor 24 Geno Smith, West Virginia 24 JaMarcus Russell, LSU 24 Bret Favre, Southern Miss 22 Tim Tebow, Florida 22 Tim Couch, Kentucky 22 AJ McCarron, Alabama 22 Cam Newton, Auburn 21 Derek Carr, Fresno State 20 Jake Locker, Washington 20 Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville 20 Mike Vick, Virginia Tech 20 Terry Bradshaw, Louisiana Tech 16 Heath Shuler, Tennessee 16 Dan Marino, Pittsburgh 16 Donovan McNabb, Syracuse 15 Jim Kelly, Miami 15 Vince Young, Texas 6 (although he reportedly retook it and scored a 15) … As you can see above Bradshaw, Marino, McNabb and Kelly all had successful NFL careers despite posting low Wonderlic scores. These quarterbacks are frequently cited to prove the Wonderlic doesn’t matter at all. But when you view their scores in context they seem to be statistical aberrations. In particular, McNabb is the only player drafted in the past twenty years who has posted a poor Wonderlic score and had a long NFL career as a starting quarterback. And who knows what explains their low scores? Were they not prepared? Did they not care about taking the test? We simply don’t know. But it’s certainly not a legitimate argument to point to these guys as successes and say their success invalidates the test. Like the forty, the bench press, the shuttle and height measurements, the Wonderlic is simply a tool utilized to standardize quarterback comparison off the field itself. Of course the Wonderlic isn’t perfect, but neither is putting football players in their underwear and having them do a variety of physical tests. The truth is this, there is no dispositive test that proves what will make a successful quarterback in the NFL. But the fact that Cam Newton and Derek Carr are the only successful NFL quarterbacks in the league right now with Wonderlic scores below 25 seems like a pretty significant data point to consider if you’re drafting a quarterback. Scoring high doesn’t guarantee you’re going to be a Super Bowl winner — hello, Ryan Fitzpatrick — but scoring low does make it significantly more likely that you won’t be one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: LOL. Ask @Gugny Any original material out there? Other than re-hashed Tweets and “expert” mock drafts? You are an !@#$ for getting me into this, yet again. Since 2000, not one QB who has scored below 16 has been a successful NFL starter. SOME of those who've scored 16 or above have been successful. That does not mean that any QB who scores 16 or above WILL be successful. It DOES mean that any QB who scores BELOW 16 WILL NOT be successful. I invite anyone to do the research and dispute my findings. Please note ... this is since 2000 and not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I think after known dummy Brad Smith flamed out of the league GMs have paid much closer attention to the wonderlick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 The Wonderlic Personnel Test doesn't appear to have any value in predicting future NFL performance. Quote Empirical research has supported the validity of GMA as a predictor of job performance in traditional employment settings. However, the results from this study suggest that in the context of professional football, GMA (a) possessed a near-zero relationship with performance across positions and had an occasional significant negative relationship with performance by position, (b) did not differently predict performance by race, and (c) was unrelated to selection in the NFL Draft or the number of games started during an NFL season. Therefore, its use in the NFL Combine is, at best, questionable in nature. Also note that the test was apparently revised and renamed in 2007 to "containing questions more appropriate to the 21st century" according to Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: I know prissy, I was making a joke. Here is a wall of text I copied from an article online. It is good info from last year's QB tests. here are the present Super Bowl winning quarterbacks currently active in the NFL and their Wonderlic scores: Eli Manning 39 Aaron Rodgers 35 Tom Brady 33 Drew Brees 28 Russell Wilson 28 Joe Flacco 27 Ben Roethlisberger 25 This means the average Super Bowl winning quarterback scored a 30.7. (That’s not counting Brady’s 33 five times or Eli Manning’s 39 twice either. If you did that the average score bumps up to 32.3) That’s statistically significant. How did this year’s 2017 quarterback prospects score? Brad Kaaya 34 Nathan Peterman 33 Trevor Knight 30 Josh Dobbs 29 Deshone Kizer 28 CJ Beathard 26 Mitch Trubisky 25 Davis Webb 25 Patrick Mahomes 24 Chad Kelly 22 Jerod Evans 21 Deshaun Watson 20 … And how have current or recent NFL draft picks at quarterback scored? (Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are in bold). Ryan Fitzpatrick, Harvard 48 Blaine Gabbert, Missouri 42 Alex Smith, Utah 40 Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 40 Eli Manning, Ole Miss 39 Matthew Stafford, Georgia 38 Tony Romo, Eastern Illinois 37 Andrew Luck, Stanford 37 Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 37 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36 Jared Goff, Cal 36 Aaron Rodgers, Cal 35 Matt Leinart, USC 35 Christian Ponder, FSU 35 Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M 34 Tom Brady, Michigan 33 Steve Young, BYU 33 Marcus Mariota, Oregon 33 Matt Ryan, Boston College 32 Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 32 Philip Rivers, N.C. State 30 John Elway, Stanford 29 Andy Dalton, TCU 29 Peyton Manning, Tennessee 28 Drew Brees, Purdue 28 Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 28 E.J. Manuel, FSU 28 Blake Bortles, Central Florida 28 Joe Flacco, Delaware 27 Jameis Winston, Florida State 27 Josh Freeman, Kansas State 27 Mike Glennon, N.C. State 26 Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 26 Carson Palmer, USC 26 Ryan Mallet, Arkansas 26 Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (Ohio) 25 Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 25 Brock Osweiler, Colorado State 25 Robert Griffin III, Baylor 24 Geno Smith, West Virginia 24 JaMarcus Russell, LSU 24 Bret Favre, Southern Miss 22 Tim Tebow, Florida 22 Tim Couch, Kentucky 22 AJ McCarron, Alabama 22 Cam Newton, Auburn 21 Derek Carr, Fresno State 20 Jake Locker, Washington 20 Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville 20 Mike Vick, Virginia Tech 20 Terry Bradshaw, Louisiana Tech 16 Heath Shuler, Tennessee 16 Dan Marino, Pittsburgh 16 Donovan McNabb, Syracuse 15 Jim Kelly, Miami 15 Vince Young, Texas 6 (although he reportedly retook it and scored a 15) … As you can see above Bradshaw, Marino, McNabb and Kelly all had successful NFL careers despite posting low Wonderlic scores. These quarterbacks are frequently cited to prove the Wonderlic doesn’t matter at all. But when you view their scores in context they seem to be statistical aberrations. In particular, McNabb is the only player drafted in the past twenty years who has posted a poor Wonderlic score and had a long NFL career as a starting quarterback. And who knows what explains their low scores? Were they not prepared? Did they not care about taking the test? We simply don’t know. But it’s certainly not a legitimate argument to point to these guys as successes and say their success invalidates the test. Like the forty, the bench press, the shuttle and height measurements, the Wonderlic is simply a tool utilized to standardize quarterback comparison off the field itself. Of course the Wonderlic isn’t perfect, but neither is putting football players in their underwear and having them do a variety of physical tests. The truth is this, there is no dispositive test that proves what will make a successful quarterback in the NFL. But the fact that Cam Newton and Derek Carr are the only successful NFL quarterbacks in the league right now with Wonderlic scores below 25 seems like a pretty significant data point to consider if you’re drafting a quarterback. Scoring high doesn’t guarantee you’re going to be a Super Bowl winner — hello, Ryan Fitzpatrick — but scoring low does make it significantly more likely that you won’t be one. Oh nooooo AJ McCarron is wonderlically challenged? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 nah 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Terry Bradshaw, Louisiana Tech 16 terry bradshaw is one of the dumbest people I've seen in sports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: nah terry bradshaw is one of the dumbest people I've seen in sports. Well, if that is true, he is one of the smartest dumb people who ever walked the earth. Terry Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls and is in the Hall of Fame. He has acted in movies and television. He has a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. He has written books, sold records, and has a career in advertising spanning 4 decades. He has also enjoyed a prosperous broadcasting career which is still going strong. I only wish I was as stupid as Terry Bradshaw is. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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