BuffaloRush Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) I don’t get the draft experts here at Two Bills drive. Nearly everyone is projecting that the Giants are taking at #2. Funny because everything I’ve read says the opposite. The consensus from the media is that Gettleman doesn’t want to draft a QB. He thinks the Giants can win now and will be looking to find players who can contribute immediately. That’s why you see them linked to Nelson or Barkley or Chubb. These guys are day 1 starters who probably can play at a high level right off the bat. Sure there’s still a chance they can draft a QB at #2 but it’s far from certain as many of you make it sound. Edited March 17, 2018 by BuffaloRush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Everyone doesn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Do you think the Giants would turn down the package the Jets just gave up to stay put and select a non QB? Think about it. You don't turn all that down unless you're in love with a QB at #2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The media knows best. It’s why you always see them with really accurate mock drafts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The media knows best. It’s why you always see them with really accurate mock drafts.. They a tad bit more informed than a lot of us. I agree - the accuracy with mock drafts is super low Exhibit A: https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/19/new-york-giants-pass-on-qb-2018-nfl-draft-growing-belief/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: I don’t get the draft experts here at Two Bills drive. Nearly everyone is projecting that the Giants are taking at #2. Funny because everything I’ve read says the opposite. The consensus from the media is that Gettleman doesn’t want to draft a QB. He thinks the Giants can win now and will be looking to find players who can contribute immediately. That’s why you see them linked to Nelson or Barkley or Chubb. These guys are day 1 starters who probably can play at a high level right off the bat. Sure there’s still a chance they can draft a QB at #2 but it’s far from certain as many of you make it sound. I'm no expert, but it depends on what the Giants think of the following choices : Davis Webb replacing Eli Eli's physical health and can he still win The 2019 QB class and can they wait to draft a QB next year The potential QB UFAs after next season Drafting Rosen and groom him for a year or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Exhibit B http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/03/nfl_draft_after_jets_trade_giants_hold_trade_market.html Exhibit C https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-why-the-jets-colts-trade-is-great-news-for-browns-giants-and-bad-news-for-bills-broncos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Looper said: I'm no expert, but it depends on what the Giants think of the following choices : Davis Webb replacing Eli Eli's physical health and can he still win The 2019 QB class and can they wait to draft a QB next year The potential QB UFAs after next season Drafting Rosen and groom him for a year or two Eh they can always trade for a QB too but I think they see Eli as having a couple years left. No one is mocking a QB in the 1st to the Steelers or Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 “Last month, TheMMQB.com's Peter King wrote, "Much smarter NFLers than I told me in the last few days they think GM Dave Gettleman will pass on a quarterback to fill another major need at number two overall, and I don't doubt it," which adds credence to the notion that adding a passer at the top of the draft may not be a priority. And if Gettleman truly is of the belief that filling other "major needs" is critical to prompt a Giants turnaround, New York is in the catbird seat. With quarterback-needy teams particularly desperate this time of year, all Gettleman has to do is wait for the phone to ring and field offers. Our colleague Will Brinson detailed all of Gettleman's options in this comprehensive post from several weeks ago.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If you're Gettleman, you have be aware that this is probably the best chance you're going to get to draft a QB during your tenure. He's not going to get a better shot than this. If they're drafting top 5 again in 2020 he's probably out of a job, and Eli isn't exactly a spring chicken. Grooming a young QB under Manning is a pretty nice setup as well. He's in a very nice situation here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mainly because opportunities like the Giants have, don't come around that often. Best QB class for a few years, with several with genuine 1st round grades, coinciding with having the #2 pick in the draft. And a QB who is nearing the end of his career, but who isn't 'done' who the rookie can sit behind and learn from for a couple of years. Iirc, after doing a little research the other day, the last time the Giants had a top 5 pick, they ended up with Eli. Many moons ago. The last actual time I think they had the #2 pick, was way back in the '80s and they took LT with that one. If you are a forward looking franchise, which, tbh, the Giants generally have been, it makes far too much sense to take your next franchise QB, when a prime opportunity to do so, arises. As an afterthought, the fact that just about all the media says the Giants aren't taking a QB, just screams 'smokescreen'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I imagine there is an intense debate going on with the Giants and it basically boils down to whether they want to make a run at the super bowl within the next 1-3 years or make the decision to help solidify their future over the next 10 years. Right now my hunch is that they are leaning with "Win now" and Barkley is awfully intriguing. Then again this issue with OBJ sort of throws a wrench in things and they may be leaning towards a QB. I think they will listen to offers but no matter what scenario their line of thinking falls, I think ultimately their asking price will be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think Gettleman is going to hold Beane’s feet to the fire for next year’s #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Because the vocal minority are know it alls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 I can see why NYG would take a QB at #2, but most reporters who cover the NFL are saying that they appear in the direction of doing the opposite. i don’t see why everyone is predicting here is they’ll take a QB at #2, like it’s a given. It’s not a given like it with Cleveland at #1. Take a look at any of the Beane/NYJ posts. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Gettleman is going to hold Beane’s feet to the fire for next year’s #1. I don’t doubt this for one second. I do think he’ll give Beane the first chance to get fleeced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Gettleman is going to hold Beane’s feet to the fire for next year’s #1. He might get it, providing we don't give up anything else than the #12, 22 and next years first rounder. Personally, as I've explained above, I don't think they will trade out of #2. And they will take their own QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Frankly I think if trading to the Giants pick were a real option, it would be done already. It's entirely possible Beane knows the Giants aren't going to take a QB and was playing between the Colts and the Giants to get the best deal before the Jets stepped in and beat us with the Colts, which will spur Beane to lock down with the Giants. As to why I think the Giants are going QB, simply put you don't turn down what the Jets offered (regardless of being in the same city) or what we can potentially offer (not to mention Denver, Miami, etc) to take a guard or a running back. It's entirely possible in the next couple of days a trade up to #2 materializes. It's also possible we lost our only shot of getting one of these QBs we really covet. The Giants were all over the Rosen pro day and the people who cover the Giants on twitter seem to think QB is in play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Gettleman is going to hold Beane’s feet to the fire for next year’s #1. You only do it if there is an "Andrew Luck" type QB there. This class of QBs have serious question marks which you just can't justify giving away a ton of high picks. The gamble is not worth the risk no matter how long it's been since you've had a franchise QB. It's just not the smart thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Estro said: Do you think the Giants would turn down the package the Jets just gave up to stay put and select a non QB? Think about it. You don't turn all that down unless you're in love with a QB at #2 Bingo. Spot on and what I’ve been saying ALL DAY. The Giants are in love with a QB(Rosen ) and know they won’t get this opportunity again for a long time. Shurmur has already been fired once for not having a QB, he won’t make same mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: I don’t get the draft experts here at Two Bills drive. Nearly everyone is projecting that the Giants are taking at #2. Funny because everything I’ve read says the opposite. The consensus from the media is that Gettleman doesn’t want to draft a QB. He thinks the Giants can win now and will be looking to find players who can contribute immediately. That’s why you see them linked to Nelson or Barkley or Chubb. These guys are day 1 starters who probably can play at a high level right off the bat. Sure there’s still a chance they can draft a QB at #2 but it’s far from certain as many of you make it sound. So, it could go either way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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