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#2 is the only pick worth moving up to get.  If it's not in play, just focus on putting the best team around McCarron possible and maybe taking a shot on a developmental guy in round 4.  Trading up to 6 without a move to 2 in place is dumb.

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1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

But any of those teams could trade out with another team who wants a QB.  I would think Arizona is the prime candidate to do so, but maybe they won't be willing to trade up after they signed Bradford.

That's a possibility, but I wonder if we are projecting our needs onto other teams. We are talking about 4 QBs in the top 10, has that ever happened before?

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1 minute ago, NewDayBills said:

That's a possibility, but I wonder if we are projecting our needs onto other teams. We are talking about 4 QBs in the top 10, has that ever happened before?

True enough about projecting our needs, but i think they have to assume that someone might trade into one of those slots for a QB.  Maybe the Bills would not care at that point.  Who knows if they'd be just about as happy with Jackson or Rudolph or someone in round 2?

 

i don't think the plan is to hope that McCarron is the long-term answer, but he might be the plan for 2018.

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26 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

So then why would they trade back again if that’s what they wanted?

More picks. They have no defense. No offensive line. 1WR. Ok, they have Luck returning...and that's all.

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...just a hunch but McBeane stays put at 12......he covets his draft capital and no one knows his target(s) or what HIS franchise QB is b y definition.......

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19 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

This thread was created to say we should trade to #6 with the Colts

 

" As the draft sits today, with the Colts at 6 I would say there is the best value for a trade up. "

 

What I am saying is, if the Colts are really interested in moving down from 6 to 12 - we should have just went to 3 at that point...

 

 

We should have...bit if the Colts feel they can gather more picks by trading with the Jets and then flipping 6 to us...their haul goes WAYYYYYY up. Takes 2 to deal and I'm certain the Colts have a plan as well.

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Thinking outside the box- no way would I give an AFC team more picks after they just fleeced the Jets. This team would have a draft field day and a load of potential quality players for 4-5 years at modest prices.

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24 minutes ago, Putin said:

Maybe we want Lamar Jackson ??

I’d rather start Nate Peterman.

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27 minutes ago, Looper said:

I see it a little differently  ... 

 

1 Cle-Darnold

2 Giants-Rosen

3 Jets-Mayfield

4 Cle-Barkley

5 Den-Allen

 

And I see Miami taking Jackson @ 11, so the Bills would have to jump them. More likely the BIlls take a positional player @ 12 and possibly Rudolph @ 22. 

Except you have Arizona, Baltimore and San Diego between 22 and 12. If you want a QB, you will need to either take him at 12 or just say screw it, I'll grab White/Falk in the third.


 

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9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...just a hunch but McBeane stays put at 12......he covets his draft capital and no one knows his target(s) or what HIS franchise QB is b y definition.......


I agree.
But almost by definition he is either taking a QB at 12, or not planning on taking one until the third round or so. Takes big, big, big brass balls this year to do something like that. 

I just have this feeling that Jackson is in play here at 12. Senior, competitive as all get out, leader, fast. Not quite Cam Newton but the same problems for a defense. 

Whatever. I'm not about to freak out about the plans of a GM that universally was admired 8 hours ago, especially because the original Clown Car manufacturer from the Meadowlands made a move. 

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At #6 the Colts get the guy they wanted at #3, Chubb, plus more picks ... they'll stay at #6 IMO.

 

Trading up to #8 with the Bears shouldn't cost much and should get us Allen or Mayfield.

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1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said:


I agree.
But almost by definition he is either taking a QB at 12, or not planning on taking one until the third round or so. Takes big, big, big brass balls this year to do something like that. 

I just have this feeling that Jackson is in play here at 12. Senior, competitive as all get out, leader, fast. Not quite Cam Newton but the same problems for a defense. 

Whatever. I'm not about to freak out about the plans of a GM that universally was admired 8 hours ago, especially because the original Clown Car manufacturer from the Meadowlands made a move. 

 

...as one who does not get to see college ball, I'm going to pose a question and please don't shoot the questioner....from what I have read strictly STYLE WISE (exclude ability please), Jackson is an upscale TT.....so did TT's STYLE turn off McBeane/McD/McDaboll?....or did they like the mobility style and saw the passing game as a sorely lacking, viable & consistent threat?....if so, are they comfortable with Jackson's STYLE and see him as possessing the passing game threat that TT lacked?.....appreciate your insight....

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If the Jets get Rosen I fear that by the time tomorrow Brady retires Tom Brady 2.0 will just be hitting his stride and we will be left with a bust and another 20 years of crap.  We need Rosen on our team as much as we can't let him into our division.  

 

We must get to #1 or #2

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4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...as one who does not get to see college ball, I'm going to pose a question and please don't shoot the questioner....from what I have read strictly STYLE WISE (exclude ability please), Jackson is an upscale TT.....so did TT's STYLE turn off McBeane/McD/McDaboll?....or did they like the mobility style and saw the passing game as a sorely lacking, viable & consistent threat?....if so, are they comfortable with Jackson's STYLE and see him as possessing the passing game threat that TT lacked?.....appreciate your insight....


I think they just saw Taylor as limited - right? How do you sit him and play Peterman any other way? I mean, they experienced Cam; Daboll ran an offense with Jalen Hurts, a running QB (although he might have preferred the passing QB, given the post season game). 

When I see Taylor throwing the ball, I see Newton. A flick and the ball is gone. Not always perfect, but enough so and a guy that transforms the game. Fearless. Able to throw over the middle, had good footwork in the pocket, competitive to the nth degree. 

End of the day, Jackson is one of the QBs to play an Erhardt/Perkins offense and that should be what we expect from Daboll. There's just too much smoke there.


 

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1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

While I admit it's scary that the Jets jumped up, it may work in our favor.

 

I can EASILY see the draft playing out like this:

 

1 Cle-Darnold

2 Giants-Barkley/Nelson

3 Jets-Rosen

4 Cle-Fitzpatrick/Barkley

5 Den-Barkey/Nelson/Fitzpatrick

 

As the draft sits today, with the Colts at 6 I would say there is the best value for a trade up. Mayfield would potentially still be on the board.  The Giants need a RB and they need OLine help badly. I don't see them going QB in round 1. Mike White, Lauletta Falk...that I can see. Same with Denver. Just lost Talib. Need OLine help. Would like to upgrade at RB. I see them more in play with White/Lauletta/Falk or a trade up for Rudolph late 1st round.

 

At 12 the Colts still can likely get some defense (Smith, Vea). Would cost far less to get to 6 than 2.

 

If I'm Beane I don't panic. I keep that scenario in mind and wait til draft night. See how the draft falls and make moves accordingly.

If Colts wanted to go to 12 I'm sure they already could have dealt w/Beane.  Colts GM had to have spoken to multiple teams before dealing w/Jets.  Also, it's hard to say who the Bills like.  Although Mayfield is the only one of the big 4 that hasn't been linked to the Bills.

 

I'm not a top 5 or bust guy though.  I would be fine if they used all of those picks they have and spent one on a QB.  I don't think Beane is as thirsty as some of the Mafia is.  Bills can come out of this draft way ahead even if they don't get into top 5.  

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3 minutes ago, purple haze said:

If Colts wanted to go to 12 I'm sure they already could have dealt w/Beane.  Colts GM had to have spoken to multiple teams before dealing w/Jets.  Also, it's hard to say who the Bills like.  Although Mayfield is the only one of the big 4 that hasn't been linked to the Bills.

 

I'm not a top 5 or bust guy though.  I would be fine if they used all of those picks they have and spent one on a QB.  I don't think Beane is as thirsty as some of the Mafia is.  Bills can come out of this draft way ahead even if they don't get into top 5.  

Again, unless the Colts know they can slide to 6, pick up 3 2nds and then slide back to 12 and get a bunch more good picks from the Bills.

 

Jets had high 2nd round picks.Ours were later. Colts can still flip that 6 to us and pick up the same 12 & 22 they would have had, plus what the Jets gave them PLUS whatever else they can get from Beane. They get more bang for their buck.

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1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Question for you guys, if Mayfield did indeed drop to #6, why would we need to trade up that high for him? The only threat to take Mayfield at that point is Miami.

 

#6 Indy - Luck

#7 Tampa Bay - Winston

#8 Chicago - Trubisky

#9 San Fran - Jimmy G

#10 Oakland - Carr

#11 Miami - Tannehill, but may take one, maybe not.

 

So if one of the top 4 got past the top 5 picks, there is virtually no threat until #11. If we could just jump up 2-3 spots, we would have a really good chance at one of the top 4.

 

 

 Because another team can move up and take him.

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5 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Again, unless the Colts know they can slide to 6, pick up 3 2nds and then slide back to 12 and get a bunch more good picks from the Bills.

 

Jets had high 2nd round picks.Ours were later. Colts can still flip that 6 to us and pick up the same 12 & 22 they would have had, plus what the Jets gave them PLUS whatever else they can get from Beane. They get more bang for their buck.

It's possible.  If Mayfield is Beane's guy.  But I'm not convinced the Broncos don't grab a QB at 5.  I'm not convinced the Giants aren't grabbing a QB too.  I just don't believe they are that good with Eli and Davis Webb.  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It's possible.  If Mayfield is Beane's guy.  But I'm not convinced the Broncos don't grab a QB at 5.  I'm not convinced the Giants aren't grabbing a QB too.  I just don't believe they are that good with Eli and Davis Webb.  

 

 

I honestly think it could go either way with Denver. But with Keenum there now, it honestly wouldn't be that much of a shock to see them go with White, Falk or Lauletta.

 

Giants will take a QB as well I believe...but it won't be from top guys. Same as Denver. If they feel Eli can play 2 more years you HAVE to protect him. You HAVE to have a running game to support him. 

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8 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I honestly think it could go either way with Denver. But with Keenum there now, it honestly wouldn't be that much of a shock to see them go with White, Falk or Lauletta.

 

Giants will take a QB as well I believe...but it won't be from top guys. Same as Denver. If they feel Eli can play 2 more years you HAVE to protect him. You HAVE to have a running game to support him. 

They just got Solder.  Can grab guards later in draft.  Same with RB, although Barkley would be hard to pass up at 2. 

 

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Just now, purple haze said:

They just got Solder.  Can grab guards later in draft.  Same with RB, although Barkley would be hard to pass up at 2. 

 

Yup, just got Solder. They needed 5 upgrades... especially after letting Pugh walk. Grabbing guards later in the draft is wonderful. But this kid at the top is elite. If you have a need and he's there he's a must get for them.

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32 minutes ago, jkx2 said:

 Because another team can move up and take him.

 

We got Washington, Arizona, Baltimore and Los Angeles.

 

Would Baltimore give up their 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get in the top 10? Or would they kick the tires on Flacco for another year? (I don't think so) #16, #52 and #83 = 1,555 that could get them to 7-8 possibly, but would Chicago or Tampa Bay want to go down that far?

 

Next we got Washington, they own picks #13, #44, #68 that = 1,678. Could possibly get them to #6, but they just signed Alex Smith to a huge deal, Washington trading up is highly unlikely.

 

That leaves Arizona, who in my mind is the biggest threat. They have #15, #47, #79, #97 which equals 1,787, that would get them to #6 (maybe).

 

Bills own #12, #22, #53, #56, #65, #96 which comes out to 3,071.

 

It's true we can outbid any team, but I think the only legitimate threat is Arizona.

 

EDIT: Forgot the Chargers. They own #17, #48, #84 which equals 1,540. That could get them to 8. They have Rivers though, it would make more sense build around him unless a QB drops down the board.

 

Also:

 

#6 - 1,600

#7 - 1,500

#8 - 1,400

#9 - 1,350

#10 - 1,300

 

Keep in mind that if a team knows you're trading up for a QB, you will be paying more than that! But those numbers are just a baseline/starting point.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, klos63 said:

But the Colts wouldn't have- All the Jet's picks are better than ours.

Yep - and those picks are gone and still may not get their guy.

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17 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

 

We got Washington, Arizona, Baltimore and Los Angeles.

 

Would Baltimore give up their 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get in the top 10? Or would they kick the tires on Flacco for another year? (I don't think so) #16, #52 and #83 = 1,555 that could get them to 7-8 possibly, but would Chicago or Tampa Bay want to go down that far?

 

Next we got Washington, they own picks #13, #44, #68 that = 1,678. Could possibly get them to #6, but they just signed Alex Smith to a huge deal, Washington trading up is highly unlikely.

 

That leaves Arizona, who in my mind is the biggest threat. They have #15, #47, #79, #97 which equals 1,787, that would get them to #6 (maybe).

 

Bills own #12, #22, #53, #56, #65, #96 which comes out to 3,071.

 

It's true we can outbid any team, but I think the only legitimate threat is Arizona.

 

EDIT: Forgot the Chargers. They own #17, #48, #84 which equals 1,540. That could get them to 8. They have Rivers though, it would make more sense build around him unless a QB drops down the board.

 

Also:

 

#6 - 1,600

#7 - 1,500

#8 - 1,400

#9 - 1,350

#10 - 1,300

 

Keep in mind that if a team knows you're trading up for a QB, you will be paying more than that! But those numbers are just a baseline/starting point.

 

 

 

Have to move up from 22

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