Domdab99 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Why do so many of you think Rudolph is a first round pick? He's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Both 1sts, a 2nd, a 4th and next years 1st round pick. That's not enough draft value points when looking at what the Jets just paid. Jets gave up 3 picks in the top 47 of this draft to move up 3 spots, plus a 2nd next year. They overpaid by 340 points this year + a (likely to be high) 2nd next year. Both 1sts, both 2nds and (probably our highest) 3rd + a pick next year is the minimum IMO. and I would probably still do that trade anyway! I think getting one of the top 2 QBs this year would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ******* said: Trade up to number 3 The Jets will NOT make a trade with the us!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: Why do so many of you think Rudolph is a first round pick? He's not. They been hanging out with Whaley and talking to EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Yes you did. There are obviously times where average/below average QBs have walked away with a Super Bowl trophy. But in each of those cases (Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler), the quarterbacks went through "hot streaks" and played especially well during the playoff run. And in all of those cases, the success was not sustained. Agreed and add in Eli X 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Rico said: If Barkley does go #1 and Giants don't trade and take Rosen, Jets got smoked. That's a lot of picks to burn just to move up 3 spots for Mayfield/Allen, who might've been at #6 anyways. The Jests getting smoked would be nothing new, but they'll still likely get the QB they want at #3 so they won't get smoked too bad unless the QB they draft craps the bed. Edited March 17, 2018 by frostbitmic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Why do so many of you think Rudolph is a first round pick? He's not. It's an epidemic. He's a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Flacco was top16 when they were contenders, and he had literally the greatest postseason QB run in NFL history. I love how so many here bash Flacco on these boards. He has got the Ravens to the playoffs 6 times along with a Lombardi over 10years. I would give my left nut for that in Buffalo. Edited March 17, 2018 by Real McCoy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I'm actually fine with this, as I didn't think trading up with Indy was a good idea....say you trade up to 3 and both the Browns and Giants go Darnold/Rosen? Or someone else trades up ahead of the Bills? That would be a disaster. Trading all of that draft capital for the No. 3 QB off the board? No. 2 pick or don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: I love how so many here bash Flacco on these boards. He has got the Ravens to the playoffs 6 times along with a Lombardi over 10years. I would give my left nut for that in Buffalo. That's what I'm saying. He was an above average QB who got hot. The dude was solid for quite a few years. He wasn't trash like ppl are saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: I'm actually fine with this, as I didn't think trading up with Indy was a good idea....say you trade up to 3 and both the Browns and Giants go Darnold/Rosen? Or someone else trades up ahead of the Bills? That would be a disaster. Trading all of that draft capital for the No. 3 QB off the board? No. 2 pick or don't bother. I think what's not fine about it is the Jets have now most likely increased the cost to get to 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, CuddyDark said: At the presser the other day it sounded to me like they were taking Lamar Jackson at 12. Preach on Cuddy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, mjt328 said: You can't be serious. Kirk Cousins was an anomaly. Quarterbacks of his caliber never hit free agency, unless there are catastrophic injuries and Top 10 prospects waiting on the bench (like the situations involving Peyton Manning and Drew Brees). His contract means nothing. The salary cap will rise and teams will find ways to adjust to the market. If you think that franchise quarterbacks are suddenly going to be hitting the free agent market in coming years, you are out of your mind And desperate teams have ALWAYS been willing to overpay for successful backups. Do you recall the Bills sending a 1st Rounder to the Jaguars for Rob Johnson? I'm saying that Cousins rejected a multi-year contract in order to take a shorter term deal. This contract was initially slated to be at least 5 years, possibly six. I can hardly wait to see what Rodgers signs for - but I'm willing to bet it's short term so he can continually ring the register with guaranteed money. If Cousins gets $27 and Garafolo gets nearly that, doesn't he go $105 at least? And Ryan then goes for a shorter term deal - maybe two years - and $70MM? In the past, every single QB when he was resigned was done for 5, 6, 7, 8 years. When you increase the rate of transactions you by definition increase the likelihood of the QB leaving. And the rise in guaranteed money only damages it. Tell you what - I saying that GMs that look at the connection to their QB like 2017 are fighting the last war. Things have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Norwell went to Jax and Richburg is with SF They got Nate Solder as a LT Solder that's it, so much going on this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Why do so many of you think Rudolph is a first round pick? He's not. White pocket QB that looks Hollywood 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, drf1835 said: Stop with the fear, anger, sadness, concern and emotion everyone. Emotions cloud judgement. Trust the process. Here are my two cents on Brandon Beane, his philosophy, and his views on the draft. My opinion is based on the things he has said, in the past and more recently, his personality through my analysis, and from credible information I have seen, and from his recent experiences in his trades and free agent pick ups. First of all, Beane seems very smart, orderly, meticulous, patient if need be, and honest. This does not mean he cannot have secrets, or change his plan, but it just means that what you see and hear about him is what you get. He is not going to let emotion cloud his judgement, act in haste, or let any one opinion be the basis for his decisions. He will scrutinize things, take numerous things into consideration, and prioritize. He will not necessarily go with the masses, as he is a leader and confident in himself and the process, but although he trusts his own judgements, he will combine those and what he believes in with the judgements and opinions of those he trusts, to form a more well informed decision. Look how he handled the AJ McCarron situation. He was patient, trusted his philosophy and the process, did not want to over pay for others, or succumb to that hype, and he let the chips fall into line for him. The early bird does not always get the worm, but the turd as I have said before. He watched all the game tapes he said, and all his plays, made several calls to those who knew AJ closely, and he liked what he saw and heard. When the timing was right, he knew what to say to AJ, as he knew what AJ wanted to hear, and as he speaks the truth anyway, basically saying, ‘I can promise you only one thing, that you will compete to be the guy.’ He did not promise it would lead to long term, but just that he would get that chance to play, if he were the best, but suggesting he could not promise more. So, in my opinion, and as the highly respected executives in the nfl community would and have corroborated, Mr. Beane has all the qualities in a gm one would want, and if you combine also his self-motivated demeanor, and his desire to not rest off his laurels, but to keep driving for the team to be even better, regardless how good or great it is, and combine that with what he has said in the press and not said about his draft intentions, as he does not want to advertise everything, and as he does not know yet everything that will transpire, the below is what will likely happen in my opinion, and what has already been done. (1) I believe Beane because of his orderly, honest and prioritizing ways, and from what he has said, likely had indeed decided to put most of his priorities first in the free agent market, as he said, and as he knew that was the most urgent, then, to pick up players that could fill a role on our team, and as he knows we cannot draft enough good players to fill all those holes. He thus focused on positions of need first, through free agency and trades, and did not want to obsess about the draft until now, nor gobble up popular free agent quarterback guys at high cost, as he knew we would likely draft a QB relatively high, in round one, and did not want to commit long term to another player at that position. (2) In the meantime, Beane and staff had preliminary shorter meetings with the top quarterback draft prospects, among others, and got some additional information about them from looking at some game tapes and talking to some others. This basic information was needed to at least get a general idea of what could happen in the draft, regarding a possible move up or down, or with general preliminary expectation to keep the draft picks at 21 and 22. (3) Once Beane and company likely saw some preliminary intrigue and interest in one or more of the top rated quarterbacks, he decided to move up some, by getting rid of one or more players that he thought was no longer of prime need on the team, thinking he could do better. Moving up to a reasonable position would give a good chance that one of the quarterbacks or linebackers they were preliminarily moderate to high on, etc would be available at now pick 12, and it would free up some cap room space worries, too. (4) Now that free agency is almost done in their eyes, as Beane said, the attention can be to scrutinize those nfl draft prospects of moderate to high interest more, through in-depth personal interviews and workouts with them, and getting more detailed information from more sources about them, as players could be labeled as one way, but come across totally a different way. Sometimes one has to sift through the truth, and make their own judgements on character, but at other times accept that past red flags in the past or shown in other environments could mean more of the same in the future. So, it may come down to game tapes, and their own interview and tryout evaluations with that player, and decisions regarding their beliefs of him either changing, and maturing, or with them seeing enough positive in that behavior and with belief the talent reward offsets the risks, or being positive and seeing his strengths that would fit the Bills need for a QB, etc, as each team has their own specific needs and philosophy, regarded what a leader is, their culture of players, and how that player could best help their team with their strengths.. (5) “Right now” I think Beane is content with staying at 12 and 21, and keeping the two 2nd and 3rd rounders too, even if the Jets to #3 reports are true, as he wants as many high rated players on their board as possible, to fill up their remaining position needs, and he is not into any premature hype, nor will let emotion, fear or other emotions, others’ actions or events cloud much his process or judgement. (6) However, as Beane already likely knows what generally it could take to move up further, after general or preliminary talks with some of the teams who pick higher, and seeing that points formula to move up and what is expected or required for that, and after seeing others move in the draft higher, if after Beane and his staff do all their detailed and extensive homework on the draft players that they had enough interest in or coveted, and they feel that this player or two could possibly change drastically positively their team drastically in their eyes, for long duration, and they know that player will likely not be available at the 12 or 21 position, of course they may want to move up further. Otherwise, if they see no urgency to move higher, as the belief is none of the top 4 quarterbacks warrants that higher draft value or stands out much above the others to fit the Bills, or with belief a good one will be there at 12 or 21 anyway, they thus will stay put at their draft positions. (7) The Bills could see 6 quarterbacks as not much different, in terms of reward and risk, or with regards to value at where they would pick them, if you add Jackson and Randolph, so whoever of that bunch falls to them may be ok to them, if their analysis soon of each of the top four too shows that each has too much hype or risk, or not much guarantee. Only if a Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and/ or Allen seemed like cannot misses to them, could perhaps they want to give up much draft capital. Getting AJ McCaron likely gives them some relief knowing any quarterback in the draft does not have to start right away. The Bills may think Rudolph or Jackson at 21 gives them better value than the others, with at linebacker at 12 making more sense, or if a higher rated linebacker or other position dropped to 12. Who knows, until Beane and company do the full evaluation of these players that intrigue them or that they preliminarily covet, until having longer meetings with them. One or more players may not even want to play in the cold or with Buffalo, or have a bad attitude talking to them.. We cannot assume anything. Beane picks up on small details, and one very important detail he uncovers could throw him off into another direction, or sway him from being on the fence towards a player, to instead being more positive in the direction of that player. I feel Beane though will likely look at everything, and not require perfection, as that does not exist to him. He knows persons can get better, and that learning from mistakes can occur. In the end, Beane and staff obviously will shore up as best as possible the remaining positions of need through the draft. He will prioritize and take the players that provide expected good to great value to the team, and hope that all his choices were good decisions, but knows that may not be possible, as things happen and a college star dies not equate always to an nfl star. By being very detailed, patient, analytical, hardworking, and not playing all his cards, yet being true to himself, his character and his philosophy, I feel he will make more hits than misses. His free agency moves and other things he says and has done shows Beane has an orderly plan, and prior trades shows he has courage to shake things up, so I think we are in good hands with Beane. I will support whatever choices he makes, as nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. They would be just guesses. I feel we have a guy with a vision, as does McDermott, and he can sift out the hype and emotion and used sound reasoning and good to great decisions based on much unbiased information, and use a methodical but savvy process to get us further, yet at the same time if he feels strongly about a player, after all his homework and analysis, and others’ input, I feel he would not be afraid to do what it reasonably takes to get him, regardless what anyone here thinks, though I think he would put at least some small value on our opinions, and recent moves by other teams, as his ego is not that huge to discount totally other opinions and happenings based on what I see and hear.. But, like Marv Levy said, if a coach starts listening to the fans, he might as well sit with them. Sometimes, leading is thinking outside the box or going against the grain, or being patient. 1) You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. 2) If Beane doesn't see a difference between Rosen and Rudolph, he's an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 #2 is the only option. You can’t have this much ammo and end up heading into the season with McCarron, Peterman, “we tried,” and six unknown prospects whose contracts expire at the same time. It’s a fireable offense. I expect us to be picking at 2 when the draft rolls around. Otherwise it’ll be a short tenure for the GM, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think what's not fine about it is the Jets have now most likely increased the cost to get to 2. If the Jets are moving to 3, you don't think they inquired about 2 beforehand? G men are taking Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yes I said next years first round pick. And yes Id absolutely do it. Considering the cap space these guys have next year they should without question do it. I know you did. I was just looking at the extra draft points the Jets gave up just this year alone, which is 340. For us to do that same thing - 340 extra points this year - it would take our two 1's, two 2's and highest 3. Maybe they value a 1 next year higher than all those picks this year? Everyone always says the pick next next year is worth 1 round lower in value though. So I never know exactly how to value them. Which is why I was mainly looking at what the Jets gave up in value this year alone. Colts #3 = 2200 Jets #6 (1600) + #37 (530) + #49 (410) = 2540 + whatever value their #2 next year has Anyway... I am not a GM. So obviously I am just giving my best guess here after looking at the Jets trade. I like your potential trade cost better than mine, so I'll go with yours for now! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Domdab99 said: 1) You have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. 2) If Beane doesn't see a difference between Rosen and Rudolph, he's an idiot. The only thing worse than his inane post is the three of you who have quoted it in full. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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