cage Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Hughes is easily the most underrated player on the team. He's easily the only guy who plays 100% every play, including the great Kyle. He's equally good against the run and pass. He is the only player that goes sideline to sideline. He sometimes rushes the passer and then makes the tackle 8 yards downfield on a WR. He's the only player who consistently tries to both make the sack or tackle AND cause a turnover without sacrificing the tackle. There is not a player on either side of the ball that tries harder than Hughes from snap to whistle. It's not even close. Anyone who follows Joe Buscaglia's weekly film study articles see that Hughes was the highest ranked player all year long. Our best player. Maddening when people just look at the top line tackle and sack numbers and then dismissively declare we should dump him. https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2017-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-defensive-ends 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I love Hughes, but don't even see that as remotely possible. Would take a trade like that in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Make it Lawson and you have a deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said: As Estro has said, you do this with the intention of packaging that pick with #22 to get to #3. Precisely. #22 and #7 is actually a little more valuable than the 3rd pick, so maybe the Colts give you their 4th or 5th back. The point being the Bills wouldn't have to touch any picks next year, or any of their multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks this yr. That's 4 picks in rounds 2 and 3 to find quality starters on CHEAP 4 yr rookie deals. This is how smart teams build rosters. Edited March 16, 2018 by Estro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Rather trade Lawson, Hughes can at least get sacks in spot duty. This is where I’m at as well. The Bills pass rush is not good either. You can’t trade the one guy that has proven he can consistently rush the passer. Trade Shaq instead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I don't see anyone wanting Hughes' salary and him being a flag magnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 You guys have gone mad. Hughes may not be getting the sacks but he is still getting lots of pressures and is a terror against the run. Our pass rush has been terrible and reading him makes it worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, mileena said: I'd do it in a heartbeat. Hughes is worthless to us. ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, njbuff said: The Bucs had 22 sacks last season. I know the Bills didn't light it up either. But without getting into Symantecs, is this doable or not? Thoughts? Might be Shaq and a 3rd instead. 5 hours ago, Estro said: Moving up from #12 to #7 is worth 300 points on the infamous draft value trade chart. That 300 point value is equivalent to pick #60 in the draft, so a late 2nd rounder. That might be what I'd consider a fair value for Hughes, a good player. If he's not in the Bills long term plans, which after the signing of Trent Murphy, could be a possibility, I'd be okay with this trade. Another way to inch up in the draft without having to touch a draft pick. Keep in mind, Jerry Hughes cap hit for '18 is $10.4M, and by trading him pre June 1st we'd incur a $5.8M dead cap hit. So we'd save $4.6M against the cap in '18.........which might be enough cap space to wiggle in 1 more FA like Preston Brown or E.J. Gaines. I think what I like the most about this scenario, though is getting up to #7 without having to touch any of our draft pick ammo, which we have a lot of. That means the Bills could ship #7 & #22 to the Colts for picks #3 and their 4th rounder, #103. That would leave the Bills with both of their 2nd rounders & both 3rd rounders (not to mention 2 4th rounders if we pulled off the trade I mentioned above) so they could start building this roster with some quality rooks. Yea.......I guess I've talked myself into it....I really like the idea of shipping Hughes to the Bucs to move up from #12 to #7. ? is would the Bucs make such a move? It's fun to think about. You know something we don't or are you just draft fantasizin'? I like this plan but i can see the Bills just staying put at #7 in this case. There's a good chance one of the top 4QBs makes it to 7 . #1Browns- Darnold #2 Giants- Barkley #3 Colts- Chubb #4 Browns- Fitzpatrick #5 Broncos- Allen #6 Jets- Rosen #7 Bills- Baker If this happens that would be great because we keep the majority of our pks and still land my top QB Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, jr1 said: I don't see anyone wanting Hughes' salary and him being a flag magnet Please list his penalties that show this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Why all the Hughes hate? He played with garbage on the line last year. The guy's going to have a great rebound season. He's the only pure pass-rusher we have, hopefully Trent can pick up some of the slack. Stay the course we need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Hughes and Lawson aren't going anywhere. McBeane want as much DE depth as possible. Vic Carucci reported earlier this week that the recent DE signings by Buffalo have no implications on 55 & 90, both players are firmly in their plans for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Estro said: Precisely. #22 and #7 is actually a little more valuable than the 3rd pick, so maybe the Colts give you their 4th or 5th back. The point being the Bills wouldn't have to touch any picks next year, or any of their multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks this yr. That's 4 picks in rounds 2 and 3 to find quality starters on CHEAP 4 yr rookie deals. This is how smart teams build rosters. QB's throw the draft value chart overboard. Even if the Bills traded Lawson or Hughes with Tampa to slide up to pick 7 it will take way more than 7 and 22 to get up to number 3 or 2. RGIII cost the Skins a 2nd rounder plus 2 future firsts to go from 6 to 2. That's way out of line with the draft value chart. Goff cost the Rams pick 15, 2 second round picks, a third-round pick, and a 1st and 3rd in the draft the year after. Wentz cost the Eagles pick 13, a 3rd and 4th round pick, the year after 1st rounder and the year after 2nd rounder. Trading up isn't about matching up points on a chart when it comes to QB's. QB is the most valuable position in the sport and if you want to trade up to get one it is going to cost you more because you aren't bidding against a draft value chart you are bidding against what other teams are offering. And if Rosen goes 1st overall and Barkley goes 2nd you bet the Colts are going to get a ton of teams like Denver, The Jets, and Arizona offering big packages of picks to try and land that spot. The Bills can offer more in this draft than any other those teams and offer the same future picks. The Bills are in a good position to get their QB but it won't be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 These stats are kinda confusing... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl Looks like they ran at him less than the other side, and ran more effectively to the other side as well. He also seems to still generate pressure whether they were sacks or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I don’t think so personally. Hes turning 30 or 31? He is regressing in terms of getting pressure on the QB. Has a descent size cap hit. And is a head case. If I was Tampa I wouldn’t do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: I don’t think so personally. Hes turning 30 or 31? He is regressing in terms of getting pressure on the QB. Has a descent size cap hit. And is a head case. If I was Tampa I wouldn’t do it Yeah - I think we brought in a bunch of young guys to hopefully take the next step. I think he'll still be a starter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is where I’m at as well. The Bills pass rush is not good either. You can’t trade the one guy that has proven he can consistently rush the passer. Trade Shaq instead If they can get second round value for Shaq........you absolutely gotta'. Overcoming that first step and turning into someone worth committing to that fifth year option next offseason and/or extending seems highly unlikely from 2 years of tape. Run stopping 4-3 DE market is usually PURDY CHEAP in FA. He could actually improve and only be worth a 6th or 7th rounder in trade next season because of the contract status.........at least he may still have some original draft day shine left on him at the moment. I don't think TB would bite but let's hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 hours ago, cba fan said: Maybe but only if it is #22 for #7........lol Now THAT would be genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, blacklabel said: Hughes and Lawson aren't going anywhere. McBeane want as much DE depth as possible. Vic Carucci reported earlier this week that the recent DE signings by Buffalo have no implications on 55 & 90, both players are firmly in their plans for 2018. There is no benefit whatsoever to them implying they may want to move on from them. That vote of confidence is equal to the vote of confidence for TT. Could be, but there is reason to believe otherwise. Shaq was reportedly in McD doghouse at some point last season and failed to be available down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, dneveu said: Yeah - I think we brought in a bunch of young guys to hopefully take the next step. I think he'll still be a starter though. I agree. Like he’s still a descent player. I just don’t think he has much value so it would probably just be better if the Bills kept him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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