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6 hours ago, ******* said:

Best talent out there. Low risk, high reward 

HOW 'BOUT NO!

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1 minute ago, Putin said:

My personal opinion of him as a player he’s trash , and as far as a human being he’s on the bottom of the trash , someone who can wear a t-shirt of  Fidel Castro tells me everything I need to know about what kind of person he is ,  

 

This post and your screen name scream irony.

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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

This post and your screen name scream irony.

I will change my last name for you , 

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1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, no, I didn't think we were saying the same thing.  Apologies if I misread what you meant.  I'm not being argumentative, at least not on purpose. My contention is that there is a difference between protesting, and the reaction of the customer to the protest. Kaepernick quite artfully made his stand where he did, and chose his actions carefully.  Mission accomplished. If the collective fan base of the NFL gasped, then whimpered, then moved on perhaps his career takes a different path. He's not a great QB, he's not been well above average in quite some time, and that's not really in dispute.  The collective fan base gasped, became upset,  and outrage followed.  I have zero issue with a team deciding he's not worth the effort. 

 

Your points on Stallworth, Vick et al are fair, but respectfully they are largely irrelevant when it comes to kaepernick.  He's a hot button for you, that's fine, but i don't believe most folks rationalize that Stallworth did something worse that kaepernick so kaepernick deserves something.  And for some folks, what kaepernick did was significant and redemption and forgiveness are not on the horizon.  People feel how they feel, and often don't sweat the details as to the relative nature of what bothers them:  "YOU SUCK KAEPERNICK, THOUGH IN A LESSER FASHION THAN RAY RICE OR MICHAEL VICK TO BE SURE!"  Maybe there would be less hard feelings, but they still think ck sucks. 

 

i don't see it as blackballing, which to me is icing the guy out solely because of his actions.  Of course that's possible...maybe the owner of the Saints had a brother who was a police officer killed in the line of duty, or bob krafts father was a serviceman who saw death, despair and horror at the Bataan death march and told young Bobby to always respect the flag. Just as likely, the simple business decision flies at odds with your thoughts based largely on emotion---they don't see the guy as worth it. Play + Need + Potential - Fan Outrage = No opp for kaepernick.  

 

But again, I come at it all from the perspective that I don't like the decision to protest at work.  I think that usually ends badly, one way or the other.  

 

 

 

All good man, and my comments are more directed at America as a whole.  No need to apologize either bro, its all good.

 

I will say he is without a shadow of a doubt not in the NFL because of his protest, I think its fair for anyone to see that.  There are a ton of worse QB's on NFL rosters right now, and he is young still too and wants to play and cant even get in a camp.  Not saying he should be some unquestioned starter, you earn that through your play on the field.  But at the end of the day, he is good enough to be on a roster and cant even get a camp invite.

 

What you said is true...but its the truth that I actually have a direct issue with.  Its utterly disgusting that Americans are more concerned with a man peacefully protesting for equal rights than they do about a guy who gruesomely murdered dogs for pure entertainment.  If that doesn't bother someone, then I dont know what else to say.  I just find it gross that people are quick to look the other way on Vick murdering dogs for pleasure, Floyd Mayweather beating women...hell one could argue OJ is more accepted than Colin right now and that dude straight butchered people yet parents are having their kids take pictures with the Juice.

 

Its all good, I said my piece...still think he should be on a roster, and would be fine if he was a bridge even here.  All I really care about is the rookie we draft, could really care less who keeps the seat warm until the rookie is ready.  

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Putin said:

Why would we need this guy ? Never mind the politics of it , but as far as a Player who can help this team I don’t see it ,  

I honestly want AJ. If kap didn’t do what he did, he would still be playing for a team. Kap just need to be in a team that would use him right. I really like him when he play with 49ers. Once Jim harbaugh went to coach in college and chip kelly took over it was pretty much over for 49ers and kap.. I would like to see this kid play again, but sadly his career is over with

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9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

This post and your screen name scream irony.

 

Lol or ignorance

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14 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Not saying "you" are... but if you don't think this is about race to many of his detractors after he became a protest symbol, you're not paying attention.

 

I also said he's not a good player in the post you quoted. He's not bad, nor good. He's the same as any of the other bridge QBs, in terms of skill. The difference is his status as a pariah.

Exactly, and that's the difference. If he was a great player, teams would have no problem signing him. When you're a mediocre player, the play on the field isn't worth the baggage that comes along with you. Again, if it was Tom Brady, or pick a superstar black player for that matter, say, LeSean McCoy... it'd be a totally different story. When you're the absolute best at what you do, the teams will still sign you. When you're mediocre, it's just not worth it.

 

And I'd argue that for most (I'm sure there are a handful) it actually has very LITTLE to do with race, but the way he chose to protest. Kneeling for the national anthem. If he'd been out protesting in the community, alongside citizens, or protesting in another way, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


But your post generalized the people on this board as being racist... and that simply isn't the case. Are there a few? Sure. But that is a very low number.

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56 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

Lol or ignorance

 

On who's part?

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10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All good man, and my comments are more directed at America as a whole.  No need to apologize either bro, its all good.

 

I will say he is without a shadow of a doubt not in the NFL because of his protest, I think its fair for anyone to see that.  There are a ton of worse QB's on NFL rosters right now, and he is young still too and wants to play and cant even get in a camp.  Not saying he should be some unquestioned starter, you earn that through your play on the field.  But at the end of the day, he is good enough to be on a roster and cant even get a camp invite.

 

What you said is true...but its the truth that I actually have a direct issue with.  Its utterly disgusting that Americans are more concerned with a man peacefully protesting for equal rights than they do about a guy who gruesomely murdered dogs for pure entertainment.  If that doesn't bother someone, then I dont know what else to say.  I just find it gross that people are quick to look the other way on Vick murdering dogs for pleasure, Floyd Mayweather beating women...hell one could argue OJ is more accepted than Colin right now and that dude straight butchered people yet parents are having their kids take pictures with the Juice.

 

Its all good, I said my piece...still think he should be on a roster, and would be fine if he was a bridge even here.  All I really care about is the rookie we draft, could really care less who keeps the seat warm until the rookie is ready.  

 

 

 

 

If Vick, Floyd and Juice were all mediocre like Kaep, I believe they would have received the same treatment. Honestly, I don't know anyone who doesn't think OJ is a scumbag.

 

Ray Rice could've been a #2 back for a couple more years on some teams, but at that point his mediocre play wasn't worth the hassle. If Kaep was a top 20 QB he'd be on a roster.

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As a Canadian I find this thread fascinating.  It's as divided as the USA as a whole.  Having lived in the states on 3 separate occasions in 3 different states I will say that from my outsider in perspective that the distaste for CK has a lot to do with race...and a lot to do with patriotism.  I don't agree with him kneeling during the anthem at all, but to say thats not why you don't want to sign him is B.S.

 

What other free agents have a 4 and 2 playoff record with 2 trips to conference finals and 1 to the Superbowl?    He's done more than Bradford, Bridgewater and McCarran combined but ya.  He's terrible.  

 

Anyway.  Thought I'd weigh in before this gets closed.  We will not sign him not will anyone but it's not due to his playing capabilities. 

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With all the Bills have to contend with this pre-season, do they really need another major distraction?

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7 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Exactly, and that's the difference. If he was a great player, teams would have no problem signing him. When you're a mediocre player, the play on the field isn't worth the baggage that comes along with you. Again, if it was Tom Brady, or pick a superstar black player for that matter, say, LeSean McCoy... it'd be a totally different story. When you're the absolute best at what you do, the teams will still sign you. When you're mediocre, it's just not worth it.

 

And I'd argue that for most (I'm sure there are a handful) it actually has very LITTLE to do with race, but the way he chose to protest. Kneeling for the national anthem. If he'd been out protesting in the community, alongside citizens, or protesting in another way, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


But your post generalized the people on this board as being racist... and that simply isn't the case. Are there a few? Sure. But that is a very low number.

 

My post said there are latent racists on TSW and WGR... and you agree. Dunno why you're saying that "simply isn't the case" if you then agree that they do exist. I didn't say a number.

 

You're right that it's easier to bury Kaep because he is mediocre, yes, that is true. The equally mediocre RGIII did not protest and he is also out of a job. Similarly, Johnny Manziel was both mediocre & distracting, and he's out of football. Perhaps all GMs are viewing Kaep & RGIII & Manziel in similar lights. There is absolutely a valid case to be made in this regard.

 

Let's also consider that it is very difficult to prove intent, the only way to really do so without some direct statement is with circumstantial evidence. There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence to support that Kaep is out of football for reasons that are different from RGIII & Manziel — from GM/owner comments, to the fact that Kaep led a Super Bowl run and RGIII/Manziel did not. 

 

Kneeling during the anthem at a football game is protesting in the community alongside citizens. The issue the latent racists have with it is that it is visible. They'd prefer to ignore it, and Kaep/kneeling made it difficult to ignore. They're so keen on ignoring it that they intentionally tried to misrepresent his views, over and over, rather than just listen & consider. 

 

In a utopian world, the NFL would have recognized Kaep's bravery and embraced it on some level.... think of what the Bills & Seahawks players did this season to organize some tangible community outreach efforts to bridge the gap between at-risk kids & police. They might say "well why didn't Kaep do that on his own?" but he did, and he does. The unfortunate thing is not that he "protested the wrong way" — which is patently ridiculous, he protested in the best possible way: it was unobtrusive, impossible to ignore, clear, and respectful. For goodness sakes, the man changed from "sitting during the anthem" to "kneeling" after talking with veterans who told him kneeling was the better way as it represents the flag at half-mast — By kneeling, Kaep was saying, there is STILL systemic violence against people of color in the US and it is a tragedy. That is sad, but it is true, and the most unfortunate and disappointing thing is that it was considered to be a controversial statement at all.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

My post said there are latent racists on TSW and WGR... and you agree. Dunno why you're saying that "simply isn't the case" if you then agree that they do exist. I didn't say a number.

 

You're right that it's easier to bury Kaep because he is mediocre, yes, that is true. The equally mediocre RGIII did not protest and he is also out of a job. Similarly, Johnny Manziel was both mediocre & distracting, and he's out of football. Perhaps all GMs are viewing Kaep & RGIII & Manziel in similar lights. There is absolutely a valid case to be made in this regard.

 

Let's also consider that it is very difficult to prove intent, the only way to really do so without some direct statement is with circumstantial evidence. There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence to support that Kaep is out of football for reasons that are different from RGIII & Manziel — from GM/owner comments, to the fact that Kaep led a Super Bowl run and RGIII/Manziel did not. 

 

Kneeling during the anthem at a football game is protesting in the community alongside citizens. The issue the latent racists have with it is that it is visible. They'd prefer to ignore it, and Kaep/kneeling made it difficult to ignore. They're so keen on ignoring it that they intentionally tried to misrepresent his views, over and over, rather than just listen & consider. 

 

In a utopian world, the NFL would have recognized Kaep's bravery and embraced it on some level.... think of what the Bills & Seahawks players did this season to organize some tangible community outreach efforts to bridge the gap between at-risk kids & police. They might say "well why didn't Kaep do that on his own?" but he did, and he does. The unfortunate thing is not that he "protested the wrong way" — which is patently ridiculous, he protested in the best possible way: it was unobtrusive, impossible to ignore, clear, and respectful. For goodness sakes, the man changed from "sitting during the anthem" to "kneeling" after talking with veterans who told him kneeling was the better way as it represents the flag at half-mast — By kneeling, Kaep was saying, there is STILL systemic violence against people of color in the US and it is a tragedy. That is sad, but it is true, and the most unfortunate and disappointing thing is that it was considered to be a controversial statement at all.

 

 

Overblown BS. The " systemic violence" of CKs own people amongst themselves is a far greater problem and tragedy. He's protesting  at work, his employer and their customers don't  like it . He's mediocre and not worth the circus he brings. End of story. No thanks to Kaep. He'll never play in the league again. Not brave just an ill informed ( by choice)  activist. Take the drivel to PPP board. 

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12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Overblown BS. The " systemic violence" of CKs own people amongst themselves is a far greater problem and tragedy. He's protesting  at work, his employer and their customers don't  like it . He's mediocre and not worth the circus he brings. End of story. No thanks to Kaep. He'll never play in the league again. Not brave just an ill informed ( by choice)  activist. Take the drivel to PPP board. 

 

Hi Boatdrinks. Thanks for sharing your feelings. Unless you are God and all-knowing, it is possible you do not know everything. Here is an experiment to try in your real life outside of Bills message boards — for a week, make a deliberate attempt to genuinely consider the thoughts of people who are different from yourself.

 

7 days of seeking out views you think are wrong, and try to see it from their perspective, without immediately concluding it is BS.

 

Just give it a shot. What's the worst that could happen?

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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Overblown BS. The " systemic violence" of CKs own people amongst themselves is a far greater problem and tragedy. He's protesting  at work, his employer and their customers don't  like it . He's mediocre and not worth the circus he brings. End of story. No thanks to Kaep. He'll never play in the league again. Not brave just an ill informed ( by choice)  activist. Take the drivel to PPP board. 

 

Here's a word problem from Mrs. Delmonaco's 5th grade class:

 

Scenario: 

Stanley thinks flag burning is wrong, he thinks it's disrespectful on many levels, and was angry to see a player on a football team that he supports burn an American flag at the stadium on game day.

 

Question:

What color is the player?

 

Answer:  It doesn't matter, Stanley is a racist whether he knows it or not.

 

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4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Here's a word problem from Mrs. Delmonaco's 5th grade class:

 

Scenario: 

Stanley thinks flag burning is wrong, he thinks it's disrespectful on many levels, and was angry to see a player on a football team that he supports burn an American flag at the stadium on game day.

 

Question:

What color is the player?

 

Answer:  It doesn't matter, Stanley is a racist whether he knows it or not.

 

 

Wrong. Stanley has an IQ of 70 and is a victim of brainwashing.

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14 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Hi Boatdrinks. Thanks for sharing your feelings. Unless you are God and all-knowing, it is possible you do not know everything. Here is an experiment to try in your real life outside of Bills message boards — for a week, make a deliberate attempt to genuinely consider the thoughts of people who are different from yourself.

 

7 days of seeking out views you think are wrong, and try to see it from their perspective, without immediately concluding it is BS.

 

Just give it a shot. What's the worst that could happen?

Thanks for implying that I assume views are BS without familiarizing myself with the facts. I , like many ( most?)  people consider the thoughts of others before deciding if I agree with them or not. 

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Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Thanks for implying that I assume views are BS without familiarizing myself with the facts. I , like many ( most?)  people consider the thoughts of others before deciding if I agree with them or not. 

 

I'd wager you have the ability to try harder, but I don't know. Maybe you're already at the maximum level of consideration.

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10 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

I'd wager you have the ability to try harder, but I don't know. Maybe you're already at the maximum level of consideration.

Try to do what? Give credence to incorrect or misguided views because of the background of those who hold them? Believing something to be true, or more prevalent than it really is doesn't make it so. Those who hold such beliefs will never be convinced otherwise. An exercise in futility and a tremendous waste of time. Back to the football side of this thread, I believe CK will never play in the NFL again. For various reasons that are well documented and discussed. It's not an option, in Buffalo or any NFL city 

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Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Try to do what? Give credence to incorrect or misguided views because of the background of those who hold them? Believing something to be true, or more prevalent than it really is doesn't make it so. Those who hold such beliefs will never be convinced otherwise. An exercise in futility and a tremendous waste of time. Back to the football side if this thread, I believe CK will never play in the NFL again. For various reasons that are well documented and discussed. It's not an option, in Buffalo or any NFL city 

imo. 

 

Try to consider that they might have a point, and that it is possible that you're not considering it fully because it doesn't impact you. That it's possible that things that don't directly impact you do impact others.  You're free to conclude anything you wish, that they are misguided or lying or misrepresenting... but based on your posts, what you think they think, it appears to me you're not giving "the other side" of it the full consideration you're capable of. I could be wrong.

 

You're probably right Kaep won't play in the NFL again, in any case.

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17 minutes ago, TuelTime said:

 

Wrong. Stanley has an IQ of 70 and is a victim of brainwashing.

you have earned a ZERO.

 

The book has the answer, and I have the book, and the book is never wrong.  

 

You're also intellect-shaming Stanley, which is bullying. You'll need to write a letter of reflection and a personal letter of apology to Stanley and the 5th grade community, which of course must be read in front of the class.  You probably also have to apologize to the book. Stay tuned. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Try to consider that they might have a point, and that it is possible that you're not considering it fully because it doesn't impact you. That it's possible that things that don't directly impact you do impact others.  You're free to conclude anything you wish, that they are misguided or lying or misrepresenting... but based on your posts, what you think they think, it appears to me you're not giving "the other side" of it the full consideration you're capable of. I could be wrong.

 

You're probably right Kaep won't play in the NFL again, in any case.

Yes, you are wrong. Thank you for playing. ✌🏻

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Racism?  Protests?  WTF?   Nobody wants Kaep because no team is able to find a helmet large enough to hold his head mop.    

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14 hours ago, simool said:

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Simool.  Simool.   "Your kink is OK."  Far be it from me to critique your evident personal fascination with poop and vomitus.

However, must you force all of the rest of us to confront the moving image of your personal perversities on a regular basis, should we be so weak as to find you amusing and fail to consign you to ignore bin fate?  Our kinks, mon vieux, should also be regarded.

 

In other words, please slow the repeated posting of **** and puke gifs, dude, 'kay?

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