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There are more than several good QB's in this draft, take a shot with Bradford.  Maybe draft DT Vita Vea at 12 or top OL, LB.

 

Buffalo's DT's VEA, Lotulelei with Williams, Washington rotating in.  If not Vea look at Harrison Phillips, Payne or Hurst at 22, if they last that long. 

 

Do you feel there is a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in this Draft?  Hard to say, I look at Rosen, Allen & Darnolds numbers and I am not wowed.  Are you?  Yes, I am wowed at Mayfield's numbers that stack up for 3 years and don't care that he is 6'1", he is an inch taller than Drew Bree's.  

 

My point is with so many upgrades needed DT, DE, LB, OT, WR, CB, young RB (back up) and yes QB, but I don't want to through a rookie QB in there right away no matter who they pick.  

 

There are QB's like Mason Rudolph, Mike White and Luke Falk that I think are going to be solid QB's with some seasoning.  

 

With 5 picks in the top 65, Buffalo could set themselves up for many years down the road.  

 

What are your thoughts?

 

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If there's a guy that Beane and McDermott feel is a true, franchise QB, then GO GET HIM.  Stop this crap of hoping that scrub QBs from the mid rounds will turn into the next Brady or Russell Wilson.

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Simple: If there is a quarterback that the front office determines is an elite prospect, you do what it takes to select them.

 

If not, pick some other prospects that you think are potentially elite.

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For once this team needs to go up and get its Franchise QB.  There has not been one for 22 years and counting...That is a long time ago and this city deserves its own Franchise QB especially considering how the Patriots (Bledsoe, Brady),  Colts (Manning, Luck),  Giants (Eli,  this years Franchise QB) have lucked out,

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2 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

There are more than several good QB's in this draft, take a shot with Bradford.  Maybe draft DT Vita Vea at 12 or top OL, LB.

 

Buffalo's DT's VEA, Lotulelei with Williams, Washington rotating in.  If not Vea look at Harrison Phillips, Payne or Hurst at 22, if they last that long. 

 

Do you feel there is a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in this Draft?  Hard to say, I look at Rosen, Allen & Darnolds numbers and I am not wowed.  Are you?  Yes, I am wowed at Mayfield's numbers that stack up for 3 years and don't care that he is 6'1", he is an inch taller than Drew Bree's.  

 

My point is with so many upgrades needed DT, DE, LB, OT, WR, CB, young RB (back up) and yes QB, but I don't want to through a rookie QB in there right away no matter who they pick.  

 

There are QB's like Mason Rudolph, Mike White and Luke Falk that I think are going to be solid QB's with some seasoning.  

 

With 5 picks in the top 65, Buffalo could set themselves up for many years down the road.  

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Well, Josh Huff...if that is your real name. I disagree with your premises. But I fully support your right to express them. Please have a fantastic evening.

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Personally, I am all for keeping our picks as much as I am all for moving up.  If I had to choose a preference, it would still be to move up and get a guy like Baker or one of the other top prospects at QB.

 

But if we stay at 12, I think one of the QB's will fall to us, even if its Lamar.  Take that guy, then use #22 on someone like Vita, Payne, Evans, etc.  Although I doubt Vita lasts that long even though a lot of mocks show him there (I think he goest top 15 easily IMO).  

 

Use our 2nds to keep adding talent to the OL, WR, or D front 7 along with our new top of the third pick.  Take an extra QB in the 3rd or 4th like Washington did with Cousins that is a promising guy as extra prospect to groom incase whoever we got at 12 struggles.  

2 minutes ago, akm0404 said:

Simple: If there is a quarterback that the front office determines is an elite prospect, you do what it takes to select them.

 

If not, pick some other prospects that you think are potentially elite.

 

I agree 100% with this...it really just is that simple.

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I’d be fine with taking BQBA at 12 and using the rest of our picks, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the plan.

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We will be keeping picks and doing exactly what you describe, except some will be used to trade up to take our franchise QB too...its a win win, get your QB and use your picks to draft impact players that can help your team for years to come. 

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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Personally, I am all for keeping our picks as much as I am all for moving up.  If I had to choose a preference, it would still be to move up and get a guy like Baker or one of the other top prospects at QB.

 

But if we stay at 12, I think one of the QB's will fall to us, even if its Lamar.  Take that guy, then use #22 on someone like Vita, Payne, Evans, etc.  Although I doubt Vita lasts that long even though a lot of mocks show him there (I think he goest top 15 easily IMO).  

 

Use our 2nds to keep adding talent to the OL, WR, or D front 7 along with our new top of the third pick.  Take an extra QB in the 3rd or 4th like Washington did with Cousins that is a promising guy as extra prospect to groom incase whoever we got at 12 struggles.  

 

I agree 100% with this...it really just is that simple.

 

 

This is where I am.  I won't be upset either way.   And as you responded to the poster, I am all for going after an elite QB if they indeed believe they have found their franchise QB.   But if they aren't in love with any of the QB's, don't reach.

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I feel like I've said this 1,000 times but the only QB that's even worth a trade up for is Mayfield. 

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13 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

There are more than several good QB's in this draft, take a shot with Bradford.  Maybe draft DT Vita Vea at 12 or top OL, LB.

 

Buffalo's DT's VEA, Lotulelei with Williams, Washington rotating in.  If not Vea look at Harrison Phillips, Payne or Hurst at 22, if they last that long. 

 

Do you feel there is a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in this Draft?  Hard to say, I look at Rosen, Allen & Darnolds numbers and I am not wowed.  Are you?  Yes, I am wowed at Mayfield's numbers that stack up for 3 years and don't care that he is 6'1", he is an inch taller than Drew Bree's.  

 

My point is with so many upgrades needed DT, DE, LB, OT, WR, CB, young RB (back up) and yes QB, but I don't want to through a rookie QB in there right away no matter who they pick.  

 

There are QB's like Mason Rudolph, Mike White and Luke Falk that I think are going to be solid QB's with some seasoning.  

 

With 5 picks in the top 65, Buffalo could set themselves up for many years down the road.  

 

What are your thoughts?

 

How many times are people going to start a thread on this exact topic.  The overwhelming majority of this board has already said trade up and get the franchise guy.

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That's why the Bills brain trust make the big bucks.

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We’ll likely never have the ammo to go get a top qb (if McD is a success).  Go get the QB this year.

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21 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

There are more than several good QB's in this draft, take a shot with Bradford.  Maybe draft DT Vita Vea at 12 or top OL, LB.

 

Buffalo's DT's VEA, Lotulelei with Williams, Washington rotating in.  If not Vea look at Harrison Phillips, Payne or Hurst at 22, if they last that long. 

 

Do you feel there is a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in this Draft?  Hard to say, I look at Rosen, Allen & Darnolds numbers and I am not wowed.  Are you?  Yes, I am wowed at Mayfield's numbers that stack up for 3 years and don't care that he is 6'1", he is an inch taller than Drew Bree's.  

 

My point is with so many upgrades needed DT, DE, LB, OT, WR, CB, young RB (back up) and yes QB, but I don't want to through a rookie QB in there right away no matter who they pick.  

 

There are QB's like Mason Rudolph, Mike White and Luke Falk that I think are going to be solid QB's with some seasoning.  

 

With 5 picks in the top 65, Buffalo could set themselves up for many years down the road.  

 

What are your thoughts?

 

 

My thoughts? That's stupid.

 

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9 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

This is where I am.  I won't be upset either way.   And as you responded to the poster, I am all for going after an elite QB if they indeed believe they have found their franchise QB.   But if they aren't in love with any of the QB's, don't reach.

They are in love with one of them just not sure which one. I am team move up and get your guy. I want no part of standing still where we are and settling on a qb unless their guy is gone. That's the one position you cant settle on. If we stay and fill holes you still have a giant hole at qb and are forced to take a guy you aren't all in on (EJ).

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If we start next year with Peterman and the 5th best QB prospect as our QB I'll weep.  

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I am only repeating what others here have said, but we need a franchise QB. Period. Loading up on all the other positions without locking down a franchise QB is like outfitting your car with all sorts of items but having a poor engine. It has been 20 years now that we have had occasional great defenses, occasional great running games, occasional great special teams, occasional great wideouts (though that has been fewer and far between because of the QB issue), etc., but where has that gotten us? 

 

Yes, it is a bit of a crap shoot, since something like 50% or so of QB's taken in the top 10 are busts. But it is a crap shoot we have to play.

 

The Patriots are a case in point--they have had a great QB and everything else simply doesn't matter as much, since the QB can bail you out of so many problems. Result: almost every year they contend for the SB.

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If Bradford signs we better have a good line and add another WR.  Bradford is quality when healthy.

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I believe you can find all the thoughts you want on the hundreds of other threads discussing the same thing.

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23 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

There are more than several good QB's in this draft, take a shot with Bradford.  Maybe draft DT Vita Vea at 12 or top OL, LB.

 

Buffalo's DT's VEA, Lotulelei with Williams, Washington rotating in.  If not Vea look at Harrison Phillips, Payne or Hurst at 22, if they last that long. 

 

Do you feel there is a Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in this Draft?  Hard to say, I look at Rosen, Allen & Darnolds numbers and I am not wowed.  Are you?  Yes, I am wowed at Mayfield's numbers that stack up for 3 years and don't care that he is 6'1", he is an inch taller than Drew Bree's.  

 

My point is with so many upgrades needed DT, DE, LB, OT, WR, CB, young RB (back up) and yes QB, but I don't want to through a rookie QB in there right away no matter who they pick.  

 

There are QB's like Mason Rudolph, Mike White and Luke Falk that I think are going to be solid QB's with some seasoning.  

 

With 5 picks in the top 65, Buffalo could set themselves up for many years down the road.  

 

What are your thoughts?

 

my god if we stay there and take an OL at 12 after trading Cordy I will cut out my own heart with a spoon and eat it! that's something the Bills of the past 17 years would've done!

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At this point man, while I generally love draft picks and think the team could do well to fill positions, at this point, we've come this far, we might as well finish it.  Don't leave the job undone or don't do a half-ass job.  Finish the damn thing and get the QB.  Let everything else work itself out.

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3 minutes ago, Tolstoy said:

I am only repeating what others here have said, but we need a franchise QB. Period. Loading up on all the other positions without locking down a franchise QB is like outfitting your car with all sorts of items but having a poor engine. It has been 20 years now that we have had occasional great defenses, occasional great running games, occasional great special teams, occasional great wideouts (though that has been fewer and far between because of the QB issue), etc., but where has that gotten us? 

 

Yes, it is a bit of a crap shoot, since something like 50% or so of QB's taken in the top 10 are busts. But it is a crap shoot we have to play.

 

The Patriots are a case in point--they have had a great QB and everything else simply doesn't matter as much, since the QB can bail you out of so many problems. Result: almost every year they contend for the SB.

  It's one thing to need a franchise QB and it is completely another thing to know that one exists in this draft by the measures the pro's use.  Beane will know how to approach draft day and he does not need to run everything by the board here like we are Terry Pegula.  If Beane  just sees the top prospects as just that versus being complete NFL ready QB's then we have to trust his judgement.  In the end that will not matter as we all know there is anything but a consensus on any player so the whining will be there whether Beane moves up to get Darnold, Rosen, or waits for one QB to fall to 7,8 or where we currently sit at 12.

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We could land the next Ray Lewis at #12, and that pick would still be a massive failure.

 

 

When scouting a college player (especially a QB), it's not all about the "numbers" and trying to find a guy with "wow" statistics.  It's all about building an overall picture on a prospect, then making an educated guess on how that translates to the next level. 

 

If this year's QB Class doesn't work for you, I don't know what you are waiting for.  The last perfect/flawless prospect to enter the NFL was Andrew Luck in 2012.  Before that, you are probably looking at Peyton Manning in 1998.  Before that, probably John Elway in 1983.  By that trend, it will probably be 2027 before we see another QB prospect of that caliber.  They just don't come along very often.

 

When you compare this year's QB Class against others, it's clear this one is pretty good.  Against last year, I would guess that Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen would be rated above anyone in the 2013, 2014, 2016 or 2017 drafts.  To me, it's a toss-up between those guys and Jameis Winston.  That's just looking at the past 5 seasons.

 

If you would rather have an extra LB or DT (or whatever) instead of one of the better QB prospects in the last 5 years - then I'm glad you aren't running our front office.

 

 

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After the recent trading of Glenn it should be 100% obvious to most that we are moving up in this draft to get our QB. And with the acquisition of additional picks, we can move up without mortgaging the entire draft. We'll still have 5 other picks to spend on players & we'll take a shot at our franchise QB.

 

After spending the past 20 years with only drafting a QB 3 times in the 1st round, the status quo is no longer an option. These guys have a plan & they are rebuilding this team methodically & piece by piece. When all is said & done theres never any guarantee the QB you pick is gonna work out, but i dont think this bunch is gonna pick a JP Losman or EJ Manuel. I hate to say it but trust the process.

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