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8 minutes ago, Badthingsman said:

 

Just stay out of my way or you'll pay, listen to what I say.

 

Then why wouldn't that same logic apply to the 21st pick we just traded away?

Just be on the 9th hole at 9. Secret of the pros...

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15 minutes ago, ducej11 said:

Actually that wouldn't be next. You wouldn't trade up unless the guy you want is available. I would not expect any kind of trade up until the draft begins unless it's to number 1.

  At this point it is not practical to trade into the top 5 unless it is straight to one to avoid missing the guy you are targeting.  Further, Beane is not in the know as to the intentions of the teams in those spots.  If I were the Giants or Colts I would not worry about making a deal today but would wait to see what the best offer was out there like an auction setting.  The auction does not heat up until draft day so fans need to get used to that idea.  Who knows maybe the player that Beane is targeting may start to fall in the next few weeks.  No sense of giving more than what is needed to get your guy.

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25 minutes ago, Badthingsman said:

To get the fourth or fifth pick.  Seems like that is next.   

 

 

I think I would like to try to trade for the entire 4th round or 5th round instead.  DC Tom is on to something

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My lord.  These threads are out of control. 

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43 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

12

56

65

if necessary, something in 2019

 

gets you all the way to #4 and keeps the other 1st rounder and a pick in every round.

 

I want to keep the other 1st rounder.  Almost necessary to address issues on D.  I'd throw in our 1st next year and #12, plus 65.  Then 56 if necessary.  

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I think this is pretty much guaranteed. 

 

The 12th pick will be our stepping stone into the top 5. 

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1 hour ago, Badthingsman said:

To get the fourth or fifth pick.  Seems like that is next.   

I hope the Bills give their next years 1st instead of that 22nd pick.

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58 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

12

56

65

if necessary, something in 2019

 

gets you all the way to #4 and keeps the other 1st rounder and a pick in every round.

This is my dream scenario. It weighs on the implication that Browns go QB with #1. This would likely leave two of Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen still available at 4 and the ability to go LB/O-line at 22 and 53. 

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1 hour ago, Tyrod's friend said:

12

56

65

if necessary, something in 2019

 

gets you all the way to #4 and keeps the other 1st rounder and a pick in every round.

Only way that works value-wise is if you include next year's 1st. And that's just to get to 4. I'd prefer to use the 1sts this year and keep our 1st next year in a better overall class.

 

12, 22, 56, and 96 carry enough value to get us to #2. This would still give us 1 pick in each round this year (except 7th) and keeps all of next year's picks intact.

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1 hour ago, Badthingsman said:

To get the fourth or fifth pick.  Seems like that is next.   

Really!? 😱

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1 hour ago, Badthingsman said:

Maybe even the 3rd from Colts if Luck is healed.  

 

...yup...to draft a punter to replace your Colton Schmidt......

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18 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Only way that works value-wise is if you include next year's 1st. And that's just to get to 4. I'd prefer to use the 1sts this year and keep our 1st next year in a better overall class.

 

12, 22, 56, and 96 carry enough value to get us to #2. This would still give us 1 pick in each round this year (except 7th) and keeps all of next year's picks intact.

uh ... which is why I said gets you to #4.

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Just now, Tyrod's friend said:

uh ... which is why I said gets you to #4.

What you said doesn't get us to 4 without our 2019 1st.

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46 minutes ago, Stobs81 said:

This is my dream scenario. It weighs on the implication that Browns go QB with #1. This would likely leave two of Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen still available at 4 and the ability to go LB/O-line at 22 and 53. 


Me too. I think we'd have to sweeten it the offer just the least little bit.

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

What you said doesn't get us to 4 without our 2019 1st.


Can you not do the math?

#12 1200 points

#56    340 points

#65    265 points

= 1805 points. Is this your first time doing math?  

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9 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Can you not do the math?

#12 1200 points

#56    340 points

#65    265 points

= 1805 points. Is this your first time doing math?  

You might want to educate yourself on how these trades work these days before asking such questions. Jimmy Johnson values are pointless.

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We need a Captain Obvious badge. Could be a travelling trophy of sorts. It would obviously live on BadThingsMan's profile until our next Captain Obvious thread.  

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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You might want to educate yourself on how these trades work these days before asking such questions. Jimmy Johnson values are pointless.


Everyone, everywhere at the least starts off with JJ's chart. You can do a variant of it (and that's why I included next years pick) to inflate and cover. But what you are suggesting is idiocy. 

Bye

 

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1 minute ago, simool said:

We need a Captain Obvious badge. Could be a travelling trophy of sorts. It would obviously live on BadThingsMan's profile until our next Captain Obvious thread.  

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3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

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Those are friggin excellent Shady. 

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Just now, simool said:

 

Those are friggin excellent Shady. 

you can find (most) anything on the interwebs 

 

the cartoon I have saved as an attachment for quick reference 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Everyone, everywhere at the least starts off with JJ's chart. You can do a variant of it (and that's why I included next years pick) to inflate and cover. But what you are suggesting is idiocy. 

Bye

What I am suggesting is based on all draft trades that have actually happened since the rookie wage scale came into play.

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57 minutes ago, simool said:

We need a Captain Obvious badge. Could be a travelling trophy of sorts. It would obviously live on BadThingsMan's profile until our next Captain Obvious thread.  

 

If you can come up with an original thought, start a thread.  You might like it.    

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

What I am suggesting is based on all draft trades that have actually happened since the rookie wage scale came into play.


There are examples of draft trades made that nearly EXACTLY represent the chart. I'm talking, LAST YEAR and 2016.

Browns trade with Texans.
Bills trade with Chiefs, depending on how you want to value a next year's pick. #10 to #27
Seahawks to Falcons pick, pretty darned close. #26 to #31

In 2016, a trade between Tenn and Cleveland pretty much exact to the chart, moving a #8 for a #15.

In 2016, a trade between Bears and Bucs.


It gets hard to value picks that are out of the first round or that consider next year's pick because you are getting into salary cap issues, into NPR of assets and the such. But most 1st round moves are pretty close to the JJ chart.

So please, stop already. You are embarrassing yourself. What you proposed is pretty idiotic. What I did at least reaches the realm of what is probable.

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3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

I am going ot assume you realized the sarcasm in my post, but your reply has me thinking you may not have caught on to the obviousness of my sarcasm

The problem with using sarcasm in on a written post in these boards is you can't tell, especially with all the 100% serious posts that are absolute dumpster fires.    Bunch of dumb threads/posts and some sarcastic posts thrown in...which is which.  I just call them all dumb.

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3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I now know what you are for breakfast. 🤣🤣

 

You eat THAT for breakfast?

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