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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

I'd rather sign a UFA QB and keep my 2nd and 3rd. 

 

There are no UFAs who just won a Super Bowl and just turned 29. I'm actually very surprised by how many fans hate the idea of trading for Foles. Maybe he's a system QB but he's amazing in that system. It's a simple fix. We could still draft someone as a fall back option. If it came down to it I'd trade a 1st rounder for Foles, draft another QB in the 1st or 2nd, and feel really good about my QB situation moving forward.

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We have to sign an established QB in free agency before draft.  Otherwise we come across as desperate and it would be a sellers market

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18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

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Agreed. If they don't, after a year's buildup with savvy moves to gather capital, it will be seen (by me) as nothing short of an epic blunder. 

 

The Bills have a chance to set the franchise up for the next decade if they hit on their guy. Do what it takes, McBeane. 

Agreed.  Stick with the plan.  We have come this far and we just need to execute now!

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Just now, HappyDays said:

 

There are no UFAs who just won a Super Bowl and just turned 29. I'm actually very surprised by how many fans hate the idea of trading for Foles. Maybe he's a system QB but he's amazing in that system. It's a simple fix. We could still draft someone ad a fall back option. If it came down to it I'd trade a 1st rounder for Foles, draft another QB in the 1st or second, and feel really good about my QB situation moving forward.

 

I have watched Foles play for several seasons and he's just not consistent enough for me.  

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25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that’s a lot of the games teams are playing this time of year. I think there will definitely be 3 QBs gone by pick number 6 and 4 by pick 10. The dominos will start to fall as soon as he 1st guy comes off the board.

  At this point conventional "wisdom" says that Denver and NYJ should each grab a QB when their turn comes up if not jump up a couple of spots if they think somebody will scoop their guy.  The trouble is none us here has access to each team's info to know just how much they covet each prospect.  It still could come down to Denver, NYJ, and somebody like the Giants deciding one of the QB's is just too good to pass up regardless of having Eli which will put pressure on the demand side of supply and demand pushing the price up considerably.

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17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Each QB is judged on their own merits. KW is a HOF QB.  Making a comparison of him to Foles doesn't add up. 

Not totally true.  When Warner was with the New York Football Giants he was not a HOF.  He solidified his place in the HOF after he left the NYG.

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17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Darnold could start right away or would he need time to develop? What about Rosen/Mayfield?

I think Rosen and Mayfield could start right away.  I think it would be better for both to start in week 3-5.  But, they totally could start week one.

 

I think Darnold needs to sit for a while and learn.

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Just now, Manther said:

Not totally true.  When Warner was with the New York Football Giants he was not a HOF.  He solidified his place in the HOF after he left the NYG.

 

Who said he was?  It doesn't refute the point I made about Foles being judged on his own merits. 

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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There are no UFAs who just won a Super Bowl and just turned 29. I'm actually very surprised by how many fans hate the idea of trading for Foles. Maybe he's a system QB but he's amazing in that system. It's a simple fix. We could still draft someone as a fall back option. If it came down to it I'd trade a 1st rounder for Foles, draft another QB in the 1st or 2nd, and feel really good about my QB situation moving forward.

  Further, I think that the whole idea if Foles did come it would because Daboll thinks he can modify an offense to suit Foles' strengths.

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8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He was able to play well for a short stretch in the right system while supported by a great coaching staff and excellent personnel.  Can he do that anywhere on a consistent basis?  

 

Do the Bills have the right system??  Good coaching???  Run the ball well, and if they can add a couple of pieces to stop the run.  With that I think a NF can win with the Bills.  TTs sub 200 yard passing games got the Bills in the playoffs and lost by a score.  

 

NF an Arron Rogers, no, but is anyone convinced that anyone in this draft is?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we get Foles, say for a 2nd and 3rd rounder, the plan would be stay put and take a QB at 21/22 (Jackson or Rudolph maybe). In that scenario we'd get Foles and a developmental 1st round rookie QB, and we'd still have one pick in each of the first 4 rounds. The more I think about it the more I like it.

That is solid!  We probably can't get up high enough to take our first graded QB and challenging to grab the 2nd  So, ya, that is a good plan "B" or "2A".

 

JMO

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

A qb such as Bradford would serve his purposes and ours. He may be able to salvage his career and the Bills should be able to get him in a short term deal. I'm also wouldn't mind getting Moore from Miami. He not only can start for the short term but also be a very good mentor and backup. 

I am admittedly partial but imo McCarron has more potential than the two you mention.

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12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I don't see Foles as the long term answer the Bills have been looking for since 1996.  It's as simple as that. 

 

 

I'd rather sign a UFA QB and keep my 2nd and 3rd. 

Who is going to be a FA that is better than Foles?

 

Maybe Bradford or Keenum or at least equal?

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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How are you going to get both with a need to trade for Foles that requires giving them draft picks?

 

Well if we can get Foles without destroying our draft stock we can. There is a way.

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28 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

QB run is going to happen quick...

  If it does and I don't doubt it the cost to move up for the Bills will be steep.

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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There are no UFAs who just won a Super Bowl and just turned 29. I'm actually very surprised by how many fans hate the idea of trading for Foles. Maybe he's a system QB but he's amazing in that system. It's a simple fix. We could still draft someone as a fall back option. If it came down to it I'd trade a 1st rounder for Foles, draft another QB in the 1st or 2nd, and feel really good about my QB situation moving forward.

Works for me.  Make sure we trade Philly our #22 as we don't want them taking a QB in front of us at #21.

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2 minutes ago, Manther said:

Who is going to be a FA that is better than Foles?

 

Maybe Bradford or Keenum or at least equal?

 

Again, I wouldn't be looking in UFA for a long term solution. 

 

5 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Do the Bills have the right system??  Good coaching???  Run the ball well, and if they can add a couple of pieces to stop the run.  With that I think a NF can win with the Bills.  TTs sub 200 yard passing games got the Bills in the playoffs and lost by a score.  

 

NF an Arron Rogers, no, but is anyone convinced that anyone in this draft is?

 

Not betting on a 29 year old journeyman who had to be talked out of quitting football.  I'll take my chances in the draft for a consistent long term starter. 

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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Again, I wouldn't be looking in UFA for a long term solution. 

 

 

Not betting on a 29 year old journeyman who had to be talked out of quitting football.  I'll take my chances in the draft for a consistent long term starter. 

Agreed.  Foles would not be my 1st or 2nd option.  But, I think he is my 3rd or at least 4th.

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20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There are no UFAs who just won a Super Bowl and just turned 29. I'm actually very surprised by how many fans hate the idea of trading for Foles. Maybe he's a system QB but he's amazing in that system. It's a simple fix. We could still draft someone as a fall back option. If it came down to it I'd trade a 1st rounder for Foles, draft another QB in the 1st or 2nd, and feel really good about my QB situation moving forward.

A first for Foles is unacceptable.  It’s what Philly wants, but there are zero takers. They will trade him for a second before the draft.  I’m fact, I think he can be had for the pick we got yesterday, plus a late rounder.

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45 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is the guy youy want to give up draft picks for.  His career as an up and down performer says he's not worth it. 

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Better than giving up the 2-1sts, a 2nd, and maybe a 1st next year for a guy with zero stats in the NFL, who prevents the Bills from adding good young players at other positions.  Never mind if they choose the wrong guy.  If they can get Foles for a 2nd and 3rd, they haven't screwed the future.

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Just now, Doc said:

 

Better than giving up the 2-1sts, a 2nd, and maybe a 1st next year for a guy with zero stats in the NFL, who prevents the Bills from adding good young players at other positions.  Never mind if they choose the wrong guy.  If they can get Foles for a 2nd and 3rd, they haven't screwed the future.

 

There are other years to build a team beyond 2018. Time doesn't stop.  Just be prepared to be disappointed if and when Beane trades up for a QB. 

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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yes it will. What do you think you are giving up to get Foles???

 

The Ammo need to go get a top rookie. 

 

Just say no to journeymen 

Probably whatever the Browns gave up for TT. 

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Better than giving up the 2-1sts, a 2nd, and maybe a 1st next year for a guy with zero stats in the NFL, who prevents the Bills from adding good young players at other positions.  Never mind if they choose the wrong guy.  If they can get Foles for a 2nd and 3rd, they haven't screwed the future.

I think it is more important to get the right QB rather than worry about what you give up to get him.  But, I think Foles is better than the 3rd QB in the draft.  And, we may not be able to get the top 2.

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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I have no interest in Foles. Go get a top rookie

 So let me get this straight you would rather have an unproven Rookie  which none of these guys would be first-round picks in last year‘s draft class or the year before but you want to give up draft picks and not take the Super Bowl MVP,  really .

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