Dadonkadonk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Player, Grade then, now White A-, A+ Hyde A, A+ Poyer C+, A Benjamin B,B- Tolbert F,F DiMarco C-,F Ducasse D-,C+ Watkins/Gaines C-,B- Dareus D-,D- Darby/Matthews B+,D Thompson C, B Davis B+ These are my grades then and now. McBeane has had hits and misses and some of these moves are all McD. In fairness to them more hits than misses and some benefits still to come(draft selections/cap space). I loved the move down and White selection along with the extra pick. If Mahomes looks great in 2018 the Bills will look foolish. Hated the Dareus trade and still do. Only the cap space keeps it from a F. A better coach makes Dareus a star. I thought the Darby trade was good because I didn’t think that much of Darby but Matthews is terrible. Loved the Hyde signing at the time. I thought at the time that Poyer was too small to play safety and too expensive for a nickel DB. Happy to admit I was wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Matthews is not terrible. He is a quality WR without a guy to throw him the ball. And he was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Wasn't Ducasse and Dimarco on the team prior to Bean's hiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Dareus is an INC based on McBeane having to do what he had to do. Other than that I totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, MJS said: Matthews is not terrible. He is a quality WR without a guy to throw him the ball. And he was injured. He was slow and couldn’t get separation even before he was injured. Terrible is probably an exaggeration. Solidly below average, played out of his best position, and at best a #3. 1 hour ago, Herc11 said: Wasn't Ducasse and Dimarco on the team prior to Bean's hiring? Yes but I’m combining McDermott’s FA and draft moves with Beane. Nobody will ever know if Whaley had anything to do with the predraft moves. Most likely not, but he could have been part of the FA evaluations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 built a team that competed in the playoffs while accumulating a number of picks and pruning the dead wood from the cap. A- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Pretty good evaluation, OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njodogg Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 hours ago, MJS said: Matthews is not terrible. He is a quality WR without a guy to throw him the ball. And he was injured. I have to agree. Injury really hurt him. I was a big fan of this move if you look at his stats this was clearly an injury related problem as well poor QB play. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16763/jordan-matthews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 To a certain extent I give an A+ to any and all moves. I think we all agree Tolbert should not see the field. Ever. But we have no clue what he brought to the locker room. Same for DiMarco and others. Dareus had to go, for whatever reason. Either sending a message to the team or culture change or whatever. Regardless of what they did they built a winning team and winning culture all the while setting themselves up for an amazing draft this year and able to either land a top tier quarterback prospect or stockpile the roster with young/cheap quality talent. Basically everyone was thinking “wtf is wrong with these guys we are gonna suck you don’t trade young talent” but they have a plan, they are sticking to it regardless of what anyone thinks. And they made the playoffs with a very mediocre roster. Be exciting to see what they can do with even more talent added 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, njodogg said: I have to agree. Injury really hurt him. I was a big fan of this move if you look at his stats this was clearly an injury related problem as well poor QB play. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16763/jordan-matthews Yep, he was very good before coming to Buffalo. I still hope we sign him and let him show what he can do, as long as we have a new QB. If not I don't really think it matters that much who our WR's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Took a team that was predicted to go 4-12 and made playoffs in year 1 despite having a RB playing QB. Also, improved salary cap and loaded up on draft picks. Nothing short of A+ IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) How arrogant are people who make a thread like this? This is possibly the worst thing that the Mel Kipers of this world spawned. 13 minutes ago, MJS said: Yep, he was very good before coming to Buffalo. I still hope we sign him and let him show what he can do, as long as we have a new QB. If not I don't really think it matters that much who our WR's are. He wasn't that great before buffalo, and he was likely getting cut. Edit- Or perhaps I shouldn't say cut, I don't think that would have saved them any money. But he wasn't going to be brought back as the 4th guy in Philly. Edited February 27, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: How arrogant are people who make a thread like this? This is possibly the worst thing that the Mel Kipers of this world spawned. He wasn't that great before buffalo, and he was likely getting cut. Edit- Or perhaps I shouldn't say cut, I don't think that would have saved them any money. But he wasn't going to be brought back as the 4th guy in Philly. He was literally the best slot receiver in the league before coming to Buffalo. He led the league in yards and TD's from the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, MJS said: He was literally the best slot receiver in the league before coming to Buffalo. He led the league in yards and TD's from the slot. At one point he was pretty good but watch his market this off season. He lacks speed and the ability to break away from defenders two things coaches want big time today. Matthews is hard to judge because he was injured for majority of the year and outside of the Jets/Falcons games I don't remember him much because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: built a team that competed in the playoffs while accumulating a number of picks and pruning the dead wood from the cap. A- ...which was HARDLY the expectation at TBD and rightfully so......A- works......good assessment bud............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Dareus, A+, A+. Addition by subtraction, unloaded huge contract and attitude problem. He'll fall off the cliff in Jax next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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