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Anybody find the lack of Defense in the NFL boring?

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It's so natural to long for times gone by, but I just appreciated the NFL so much more before it was intentionally converted to a QB league. I like defense. I like seeing defenses that are so formidable they can combat even the best QB's. Consider in 1990 only 3 teams had a completion % above 60%, this season 24 teams did. Anybody else feel similar? 

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I found the quality of play for sure better back then.  Not a Ravens fan but yeah I do missing seeing defenses like their 2000 squad.  

 

2001 the year it all went downhill for many reasons 

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I find nothing more boring than the lack of QB play and offense that has been lacking for over 20 years on this team.

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I agree with you.  Defenses, especially DBs have been hamstrung by the rules that, IMO, overprotect WRs and promote higher scoring games.  The NFL seems to disagree with this, though; it appears they feel that higher scoring games are more interesting and attract more fans.

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I love a good 20 to 17 game over a 34 To 31 game.

 

The main thing I hate are the flags,and when you have those huge scoring games, it seems like the flags are thrown like crazy 

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I think the great defenses also led to the more exciting story lines. In no way is this supposed go the path of a hate New England thread, but let me see Brady in the early 90's with his WR's having massive timing interuptions....

 

I liked the great ground attacks. Great defenses. All things great outside of just the QB position. It's what made the game diverse.  

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Completely. You can't play defense anymore and the whole event of QB's looking for easy PI's is also terrible.

 

It's drained me away from the game.  I watched 3 minutes of Pittsburgh Jax. That's the last NFL I watched for the year. I just didn't care to watch these overpaid babies play a soft pussified game to have the refs and commerical interests distract from the integrity of the game.

 

No one realizes it but defensive games draw viewers. 

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Penalty for hitting high.

Penalty for hitting low. 

Penalty for hitting too soon after a catch. 

Penalty for hitting too late as a guy is going out of bounds. 

Penalty for not being able to stop your momentum in mid air as the QB decides to slide. 

 

I don’t like seeing guys get hurt, but many of these calls are not preventing injuries. They’re just giving the offense a break and interrupting the flow of the game. 

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Meh. There are plenty of defensive slugfests out there. 

10-3 Jacksonville Buffalo was one of them.

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23 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

Penalty for hitting high.

Penalty for hitting low. 

Penalty for hitting too soon after a catch. 

Penalty for hitting too late as a guy is going out of bounds. 

Penalty for not being able to stop your momentum in mid air as the QB decides to slide. 

 

I don’t like seeing guys get hurt, but many of these calls are not preventing injuries. They’re just giving the offense a break and interrupting the flow of the game. 

This is right here. That phantom unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Gaines against Kansas City was just downright embarrassing for the league. 

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Officiating is a much bigger problem, IMO...

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The PI is far too powerful of a penalty; it just does not fit in and ruins games.  The whole wtf is a catch is really dumb.  Amazing talent is being deemed a non catch for seemingly random reasons.  

 

The NFL is ruining its product.  It can fix these two issues without worrying about QB injuries and brain damage law suits too.

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11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Yeah, who doesn't love 3 and outs and the punt game!!

 

Anyway, scoring has been pretty stable through the decades, despite the perception that it hasn't.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm

 

Receiving TDs per team per game last year were the same as (oh, I'll just pick one) 1987.

 

 

 

Pretty lazy way of using data to fit an agenda. This decade compared to the 90's Passing TD's are up 29%. 

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I disagree.  I think the offensive mindset NFL product is much more exciting than in years past.

 

The rules do favor the QB and it’s getting nearly impossible to defend a receiver without PI

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A lot of people will say yes, but it doesn't agree with how people rate and react to games come season time. 

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All passing metrics are up compared to years past as you would expect them to be. With the rules as they are, great QB's are better on average than great defenses. This leads to lack of balance in the product. You see exceptions, but you don't see many rules. In the early 90's a great QB against a great defense was a 50/50. It's just not that way anymore. 

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1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

Completely. You can't play defense anymore and the whole event of QB's looking for easy PI's is also terrible.

 

It's drained me away from the game.  I watched 3 minutes of Pittsburgh Jax. That's the last NFL I watched for the year. I just didn't care to watch these overpaid babies play a soft pussified game to have the refs and commerical interests distract from the integrity of the game.

 

No one realizes it but defensive games draw viewers. 

 

Weren't you there for a 10-3 game in Jacksonville?  That defensive game was a gem wasn't it???  Moron!

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I don't think people miss the sound defense.........they miss the violence.........which was as much of what kept the score and completion % down as anything.

 

Despite the SB result defense actually had an uptick again this year.......and the average DB today is so much more talented than the stiffs they used to march out "back in the day" that it's almost hard to compare.   Most corners can actually cover close now without having to grab or beat up receivers in routes.

 

I really miss that violence though........the last great game of that era was the Seattle/SF title game.........what a wonderful violent game that was.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I don't think people miss the sound defense.........they miss the violence.........which was as much of what kept the score and completion % down as anything.

 

Despite the SB result defense actually had an uptick again this year.......and the average DB today is so much more talented than the stiffs they used to march out "back in the day" that it's almost hard to compare.   Most corners can actually cover close now without having to grab or beat up receivers in routes.

 

I really miss that violence though........the last great game of that era was the Seattle/SF title game.........what a wonderful violent game that was.

 

 

Sine the chuck rule in 2004 passing TD's are up 13% compared to 1990-2003, points per game are up 1.67 which may sound small, but it's 428 points a year more on average. Elite QB's can take advantage of the rules the most. Brady does not have the career he has had without the chuck rule. That whole offense is timing. It just changes the game in the way teams are forced to find an elite QB because in doing so that can overcome elite running teams and defenses. Exceptions can be found, but that's exactly what they are, exceptions.  

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20 minutes ago, KW95 said:

 

Weren't you there for a 10-3 game in Jacksonville?  That defensive game was a gem wasn't it???  Moron!

What's your point?  I was going to the game regardless. Royal with cheese promised me a hug... With his lips.

 

And, literally you have no point, ma'm

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44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Yeah, who doesn't love 3 and outs and the punt game!!

 

Anyway, scoring has been pretty stable through the decades, despite the perception that it hasn't.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm

 

Receiving TDs per team per game last year were the same as (oh, I'll just pick one) 1987.

 

 

 

And scoring is down for two straight seasons.  Defenses are figuring out.    

 

The STYLE of offense isn't very pleasing.   Lots of little gadget plays to squeeze out a few yards here or there.    

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