Pete 311 Posted February 23 We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WRONG JOSH 2,211 Posted February 23 Title is vague but thanks for your input. I'll keep an eye on this guy during the combine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rico 764 Posted February 23 Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reed83HOF 899 Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Rico said: Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. So like this: or this: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewEra 607 Posted February 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Pete said: We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. Agreed. He’s really the perfect fit for us. Would be happy with him at 21-22 or in a trade down. I can’t imagine him being available with our 2nd rd pick. T Edwards and R Smith are better imo, but can’t see either being available when we pick Edited February 23 by NewEra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCOrange 349 Posted February 23 And he's currently projected to be taken right around the Bills current range. Between Roquon, Edmunds, Evans, and Vander Esch, if the Bills hang onto one of their late 1st round picks, they should be able to get a great linebacker prospect which this team desperately needs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. WEO 1,132 Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, Pete said: "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. Sorry, I couldn't. So I stopped. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rico 764 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So like this: or this: No, like this. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 311 Posted February 23 obliqatory highlight reel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Muellers Ghost 275 Posted February 23 Yep, might not be us, but someone will fall in love with him after the combine. He already is a riser pre combine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 6,688 Posted February 23 There is also a thread about him in the cfb subforum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McBean 612 Posted February 23 I'm not interested in any other position than QB. Get a damn QB. It's been too long. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whatdrought 827 Posted February 23 So do you see him as a MLB, or more of a SLB? I assume that Milano will primarily be a WLB, right? I bet McD is Chomping at the bit for a Kuchley-esq player in the middle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoloinOhio 6,688 Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, McBean said: I'm not interested in any other position than QB. Get a damn QB. It's been too long. They have a lot of draft picks ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ittakestime 361 Posted February 23 I said this in the thread in the draft part of the forum, but it would go against the senior/injury free type of player McDermott loves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dollars 2 donuts 603 Posted February 23 (edited) I don't doubt Pete's opinion on Esch in the OT. However, and I know this may be an unpopular position, but in the last couple of years I have honestly cooled on the whole idea of it being of utmost importance to have tremendous pass rushers. Don't get me wrong, I know they are "important"...but utmost? IMO, not necessarily during a time in the NFL when it appears that all QBs seem to be quickly getting rid of the ball, rushed or not. Additionally, they are usually very expensive after awhile. Maybe I've been spoiled lately in Buffalo/McBeantown, but give me a three down LB, a good CB (or rather a very stable dback group of 4) and a a man-eating DT before a pass-rushing DE. Edited February 23 by dollars 2 donuts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwai San 177 Posted February 23 This guy would be a FREAK! I can not wait for this draft.....sooooooo many possibilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herb62 9 Posted February 24 What was the guys name from Buffalo Philly took in the first round about ten years ago? Great workout guy couldn't play a lick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 311 Posted February 24 8 hours ago, Herb62 said: What was the guys name from Buffalo Philly took in the first round about ten years ago? Great workout guy couldn't play a lick. Mike Mamula Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Barbarian 959 Posted February 24 14 hours ago, Pete said: We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. Big fan of Esch, hope we get him, never heard of Edmunds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KW95 259 Posted February 24 "What's that? Did someone say Playoffs? Playoffs? I only hope we get a damn QB to win another game" Changed Mora's quote a little but you get the jist! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. WEO 1,132 Posted February 24 I think the basketball connection is a stretch. He played in high school, not college right? I would guess most college football players over 6'1" played high school basketball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmy10 532 Posted February 24 22 hours ago, Rico said: Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. Sounds more like a blue-collar gym rat to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PIZ 723 Posted February 24 Vander Esch and Harrison Phillips would be cool, but we need a QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FearLess Price 287 Posted February 24 On 2/23/2018 at 3:23 PM, DCOrange said: And he's currently projected to be taken right around the Bills current range. Between Roquon, Edmunds, Evans, and Vander Esch, if the Bills hang onto one of their late 1st round picks, they should be able to get a great linebacker prospect which this team desperately needs. Im starting to think that might be the plan, even if we trade up. Beane would be an offseason hero if he pulled off trading up for Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, and still kept one of our 1sts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
