Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I would love to have Kiper's top 10 QB off his big board for the last 6 or 7 years and compare to 1) actual draft order 2) actual NFL performance You bring da data and I can bring da compare Say 2010-2016, you can skip 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Good luck. Espn BURIES Mel's old work because it doesn't hold up very well. You are more likely to find the info through google searches on 3rd party sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 AFAIK it's not allowed per the TBD ToS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: AFAIK it's not allowed per the TBD ToS. OK, but if you have it and PM me I'll slice it and dice it so it goes down smooth (and I take the fall if it doesn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Mel Kiper is worse than Walter Football imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, White Linen said: Yessir, I know. I'm looking for previous years. 8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Mel Kiper is worse than Walter Football imho I don't know if I'd go that far. But I do think sometimes he's bought and paid for by player agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yessir, I know. I'm looking for previous years. My fault - I missed that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I’d actually love to see this. If we can’t get the old info, we need someone just nerdy enough to start keeping track NOW so I can be entertained in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) In 2010 Kiper had Bradford as his #1 and Jimmy Clausen as #2 in 2011 he had Gabbert #1... 14th overall and Newton #2... 15th overall Edited February 19, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: In 2010 Kiper had Bradford as his #1 and Jimmy Clausen as #2 in 2011 he had Gabbert #1... 14th overall and Newton #2... 15th overall Last year he had Quarterbacks 1. Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina 2. Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech 3. Deshaun Watson, Clemson 4. Nathan Peterman, Pitt 5. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame So he had the top 3 right, but Kizer was drafted in the 2nd and then 3 other QB before Peterman in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Last year he had Quarterbacks 1. Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina 2. Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech 3. Deshaun Watson, Clemson 4. Nathan Peterman, Pitt 5. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame So he had the top 3 right, but Kizer was drafted in the 2nd and then 3 other QB before Peterman in the 5th. I woulda flipped kizer and Peterman. Kizer is just in a **** spot also woulda moved Watson to #1 on mine over Trubisky and Mahomes... still not sold on Mahomes... never liked air raid QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Who are the suckers that actually pay for that garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Mayock is your boy. Forget Kiper he's a trainwreck. 2016 Mock Drafter Points Mike Mayock 126 Walter Football 81 Draftsite.com 76 Rob Rang 64 Chris Burke 62 Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 60 Sporting News 55 Dan Brugler 52 The clear champion from 2016 was Mike Mayock, who pulled a Usain Bolt on the rest of the mock drafters and totally ran away from the field. He racked up more than 50% more points than his next closest competitor, which, to my surprise, was Walter Football. Mayock was correct on eight of the first 12 picks, which was almost twice as many as Kiper and McShay had in their entire first round mock. Here's a link to Mayocks latest. The best anyone can do right now is rank positional players, we still have free agency and draft day moves based on need obviously disrupt everything. This is interesting though: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/15/17016560/mike-mayock-positional-rankings-2018-nfl-draft-sam-darnold-josh-allen-josh-rosen . Edited February 19, 2018 by Da webster guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would love to have Kiper's top 10 QB off his big board for the last 6 or 7 years and compare to 1) actual draft order 2) actual NFL performance You bring da data and I can bring da compare Say 2010-2016, you can skip 2013 There is always a way cuz Google is your friend https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/3jj606/mel_kipers_first_2016_big_board/ https://fansided.com/2014/06/10/2015-nfl-draft-mel-kipers-top-10-qb-prospects/ https://fansided.com/2013/09/12/mel-kiper-jr-2014-big-board-jadeveon-clowney-rated-best-player-draft/ Edited February 19, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I don't think many people understand that Mel Kiper's job isn't to guess which team players go to in mock drafts. He watches endless film on players, and by film I mean he goes through every college game that kid plays since his first start and gives them a # from 1-100, then ranks them how they should be choosen. Mayock is getting real good but Kiper is still the best in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Mayock is your boy. Forget Kiper he's a trainwreck. 2016 Mock Drafter Points Mike Mayock 126 Walter Football 81 Draftsite.com 76 Rob Rang 64 Chris Burke 62 Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 60 Sporting News 55 Dan Brugler 52 The clear champion from 2016 was Mike Mayock, who pulled a Usain Bolt on the rest of the mock drafters and totally ran away from the field. He racked up more than 50% more points than his next closest competitor, which, to my surprise, was Walter Football. Mayock was correct on eight of the first 12 picks, which was almost twice as many as Kiper and McShay had in their entire first round mock. Here's a link to Mayocks latest. The best anyone can do right now is rank positional players, we still have free agency and draft day moves based on need obviously disrupt everything. This is interesting though: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/15/17016560/mike-mayock-positional-rankings-2018-nfl-draft-sam-darnold-josh-allen-josh-rosen . Unfortunately none of this actually determines how good the player will actually be and whether it was a wise choice for the team to actually draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: There is always a way cuz Google is your friend https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/3jj606/mel_kipers_first_2016_big_board/ https://fansided.com/2014/06/10/2015-nfl-draft-mel-kipers-top-10-qb-prospects/ https://fansided.com/2013/09/12/mel-kiper-jr-2014-big-board-jadeveon-clowney-rated-best-player-draft/ Alas, not quite the sought gouge - looking for final not first, and position rankings not overall "big board". But the 2014 is fun with Bridgewater as the #1 QB. And thanks so much for trying! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Alas, not quite the sought gouge - looking for final not first, and position rankings not overall "big board". But the 2014 is fun with Bridgewater as the #1 QB. And thanks so much for trying! I am not gonna lie I was a huge fan of Bridgewater throughout his Louisville years. The kid was special I felt he really needed to go to the right spot to maximize his potential though and I'm not sure Minnesota was the place hed be a good dome QB IMO He had literally the worst pro day I've ever seen out of a top prospect. I was in awe, not in a good way it was so off I tried rationalizing that he did it purposely so he wouldn't be drafted high to a crap team lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I am not gonna lie I was a huge fan of Bridgewater throughout his Louisville years. The kid was special I felt he really needed to go to the right spot to maximize his potential though and I'm not sure Minnesota was the place hed be a good dome QB IMO He had literally the worst pro day I've ever seen out of a top prospect. I was in awe, not in a good way it was so off I tried rationalizing that he did it purposely so he wouldn't be drafted high to a crap team lol That was such a strange draft year. Right now two QB drafted in the 2nd (Garappolo and Carr) are by performance, arguably ahead of any QB drafted in the 1st that year. Between Bridgewater, Bortles, and Manziel I would take Bridgewater. Why is Minn. not the right place? They do have that dome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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