Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Don't get me wrong, I am excited about the Rosen talk but I'm must admit, I'm a little weary about giving up so much to get him. I think the Bills have a great shot at landing Jackson at #21 or they wouldn't need to trade up that far to get him meaning we wont have to give up as much. I see him comparing to Watson from Houston. I like that he can take off blazing down field if a play breaks down. I love that he has elite arm strength which will be a huge advantage if he is playing in Buffalo. The only real knock I see against him is his accuracy, I get it, its a big issue but something that I think he can improve on with the right coaching. It's hard not to be excited about this guy when you see his highlights. Scouting Report from Walterfootball.com http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018ljackson.php Quote image: http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/LJackson.jpg Lamar Jackson, 6-3/205 Quarterback Louisville Lamar Jackson Scouting Report By Charlie Campbell Strengths: Rare arm talent Powerful arm Instincts Throws with good timing Stands tall in the pocket Throws knowing he is going get hit Has field vision Works through progressions Can beat good coverage with his arm and placement Excellent arm strength to go vertical Able to make good off-platform throws Pocket presence Good ball placement and timing to lead receivers for yards after the catch Amazing athlete Rare running ability Very fast Threat to rip off long runs on any carry Elusive in the open field; consistently jukes tacklers Mobility to extend plays Slippery runner and in the pocket; hard for defenders to square up Difficult to sack Very fast Mastered his offense; had full command of a more complex college system Resilient Confident Developed field vision Durable Upside On top of elite arm strength, Jackson is an amazing athlete with incredible mobility, speed, and moves to rip up defenses with his feet. From a skill set perspective, Jackson is very similar to Michael Vick. He is extremely fast and explodes down the field when he takes off on the run. Jackson can take off when plays break down and is a threat to score from anywhere on the field by just using is feet and his elusive running in the open field. In the open field Jackson is a shifty runner that weaves around defenders with excellent moves in the open field to juke would be tacklers. He is a dynamite and electric runner for the NFL. There are a few issues that Jackson has to improve for the next level. He must increase his accuracy. Jackson can have an issue with his feet; when he throws, he transfers too much weight to his front foot with his back foot off the ground. That leads to him sailing passes and making overthrows. Jackson has to improve his accuracy and footwork for the NFL. Landing with a good quarterback coach and offensive coordinator could lead to the accuracy and footwork issues being resolved. The other issue is weight as Jackson has a thin frame and needs to add more muscle to help protect against injury in the NFL. While Jackson is skinnier than the ideal, he was very durable in college and much more so than Josh Rosen or Josh Allen. With his elusiveness, Jackson dodges a lot of big hits, and you rarely ever saw him take a big shot while running. With his speed and slippery moves, Jackson is hard to square up for defenders. Still, he should seek to get stronger, but that could definitely be fixed a pro strength and conditioning program. With his physical talent, I think Jackson could easily rise throughout the leadup to the 2018 NFL Draft and end up being a high first-round pick. He could have success in the NFL if the offense is built around him and his skill set, similar to what the Texans did with Deshaun Watson during the 2018 season, when they averaged almost 40 points per game with the rookie dual-threat quarterback. Scouts from teams across the league tell me that Jackson is being undervalued and unfairly critiqued. That could send Jackson lower in his draft class, but he could end up being a steal for some team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I like Lamar Jackson also. I don’t know what’s going to happen this offseason but I can McBean keeping Tyrod and drafting Lamar and let them battle it out. Don’t give away any draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) There isn't a player in this draft that I want the Bills to stay away from more. I have seen enough of receivers and backs having to adjust their route to catch a poorly thrown ball, and having to break their stride, making them unable to get run after the catch yardage. Tyrod can't even make the short throws to his receivers in stride consistently and I saw the same thing with Jackson when I watched Louisville games. Simply just not accurate and that is the hardest thing for QB's to improve on. Edited February 15, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) accuracy can not be taught. You either have it or you don't/ if you have it you can refine it, but if your a college QB who couldn't complete more than 60% consistently it ain't never going to happen in the pros (See Josh Allen) Lamar is intruiging but you're not fixing the accuracy worries Edited February 15, 2018 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Trying to scheme for an athlete QB is extremely difficult. Darrell Bevell did it for a few years with Russell Wilson and was canned this off-season. Jackson, by all accounts, can make the throws and has excellent scrambling ability yet isn't extremely accurate. His skill set has been proven not to translate to a repeatable offensive strategy in the NFL. I want a pocket QB who can feel the rush and throw receivers open, among other things. I don't see Jackson ever being that guy. Edited February 15, 2018 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I wouldn't hate the pick. If he's there at 21, take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 If you’re not accurate in college, you’re likely not going to be accurate in the NFL when the windows are tighter and time to throw is shorter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 NFL offenses are implementing more and more college scheme principles. The Super Bowl champ ran a dynamic offense featuring college RPO principles and Watson was tearing it up running an offense that largely amounted to "run for your life, throw it deep to Fuller or in the general vicinity of Hopkins". Jackson absolutely has the talent to succeed in the NFL, teams tried for years to find the big field general who could read the pressure, scan multiple reads and pick out the open receiver. They largely failed across the board. College offenses aren't producing those guys and there's no time for that style in the NFL now anyways. Smart offenses are adjusting to the QB talent that is coming into the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Story locally here in Kentucky the last couple days is Jackson has not hired an agent, reason stated he is having trouble finding someone he trusts. Good he wants to find responsible representation since so many athletes manage money poorly but it is getting late in the process and one draft "expert" says it could cause him to drop. Take that for what it is worth, we all know how local sports radio can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) I'm not an expert but I have seen him play a few times and against good defenses his accuracy was not only poor, it was simply awful. I looked up his stats for last year. Against four good defenses he was; Clemson 21-42 317 yards 3td 1int Florida St. 13-21 156 yards 1td 0int Mississippi State 13-31 171 yards 2td 4int Virginia 15-26 195 yards 3td 2int He is a great runner but he fumbled 11 times last year. Edited February 15, 2018 by Southern Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, ddaryl said: accuracy can not be taught. You either have it or you don't/ if you have it you can refine it, but if your a college QB who couldn't complete more than 60% consistently it ain't never going to happen in the pros (See Josh Allen) Lamar is intruiging but you're not fixing the accuracy worries Not that completion percentage completely translates to accuracy, but this seems like a good place to post this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Draft him at #21 or #22, if he fails to develop as a QB, he can replace Shady at RB in a couple of years. Can he catch ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I'm not an expert but I have seen him play a few times and against good defenses his accuracy was not only poor, it was simply awful. I looked up his stats for last year. Against four good defenses he was; Clemson 21-42 317 yards 3td 1int Florida St. 13-21 156 yards 1td 0int Mississippi State 13-31 171 yards 2td 4int Virginia 15-26 195 yards 3td 2int He is a great runner but he fumbled 11 times last year. And this seems like a good place to post a link to this thread from earlier in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 he might be a slightly better version of Tyrod. perhaps the next Michael Vick. whoever drafts him should also pick up Tyrod on a 2 yr deal so that you can run a similar offense no matter who is starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, DCOrange said: And this seems like a good place to post a link to this thread from earlier in the week. That is really interesting. It definitely scares me away from trading up for Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: accuracy can not be taught. You either have it or you don't/ if you have it you can refine it, but if your a college QB who couldn't complete more than 60% consistently it ain't never going to happen in the pros (See Josh Allen) Lamar is intruiging but you're not fixing the accuracy worries https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/matt-ryan-1.html http://www.nfl.com/player/mattryan/310/careerstats https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-brees-1.html http://www.nfl.com/player/drewbrees/2504775/careerstats https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/russell-wilson-1.html http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carson-palmer-1.html http://www.nfl.com/player/carsonpalmer/2505245/careerstats There's more, but here are just a few examples using current NFL starters that run counter to that argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I'm not an expert but I have seen him play a few times and against good defenses his accuracy was not only poor, it was simply awful. I looked up his stats for last year. Against four good defenses he was; Clemson 21-42 317 yards 3td 1int Florida St. 13-21 156 yards 1td 0int Mississippi State 13-31 171 yards 2td 4int Virginia 15-26 195 yards 3td 2int He is a great runner but he fumbled 11 times last year. Fl. State has a FANTASTIC secondary. 1TD and no INT's is good. Clemson: 3td's and 1int, with 317 yards: not bad. 22 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Not that completion percentage completely translates to accuracy, but this seems like a good place to post this: that is a fantastic graph. Mayfield is my #1 guy. Rudolph and Allen scare me. Any chance of adding Luke Falk to that chart. I believe he has great accuracy, just not sure where those throws occur (short, deep, etc.). Interesting that Rosen and Jackson have the same "short and intermediate" percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Saw the draft breakdown vid of him vs FSU. I can def see why people want him. Explosive player. He would be a real pain the ass to gameplan for. Does remind me of Vick. Its clear to me that if you can contain his big play rushes. He will struggle in the pocket. He missed some easy throws and his placement isnt good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Ramza86 said: Saw the draft breakdown vid of him vs FSU. I can def see why people want him. Explosive player. He would be a real pain the ass to gameplan for. Does remind me of Vick. Its clear to me that if you can contain his big play rushes. He will struggle in the pocket. He missed some easy throws and his placement isnt good. I thought Beane said he wants a - pocket passer specialist? If you take him at his word, then Jackson isn't on the radar in the first 2 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: I thought Beane said he wants a - pocket passer specialist? If you take him at his word, then Jackson isn't on the radar in the first 2 rounds. Yeah. I can see him making some noise in the NFL....but Im just tired of not having a pocket passer. Id steer clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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