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Joe Buscaglias take on the QB situation

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Cutting TT doesn't mean he won't get a look at resigning for less money.  Of course, he would get to shop himself around.  The #21 pick Qb will be the guy from OSU.....he can't start and neither can Peterman.   Now, Daboll will have a big say in whether their is a desire to keep TT around.  If they want more run/pass.option...TT is capable of that game...more so than many..including Mason Rudoph or Nate Peterman.  Of course, if you draft the man from Louisville.....he is that run/pass type (Lamar Jackson)   Daboll will have a voice here.  And, it doesn't matter who the QB is if we don't get some wr's that can separate.  Benjiman is a speciman, but not a separation type.  ZJ is also a moves man, and the jury is out on him imho.  Only Thompson has speed and separation ability.   Don't know if Streeter has that speed...Holmes is a poor mans Benjamin.  Bills may be going backward before they go forward imho.  They need to reload bigtime in a lot of areas.

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38 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Yep of the three QBs you listed aren’t even pending free agents.  

Cousins is. The Skins aren't doing anything with him after working out the deal for Alex Smith. 

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9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

"the wheeling and dealing Brandon Beane"?

He traded Darby, Watkins, Ragland, Dareus, and he also traded for Benjamin. That’s a lot considering he hasn’t even been in Buffalo a year 

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1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

Stay put and draft at 21,

 

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Man I am not sold on Rudolph, coupled with him looking like Mike Rodak and Carly Simon's love child? Pass... I would take Jackson before him or better yet, I would trade back and take Mike White over both of them.

 

 

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A nice analysis, but the question is whether the Bills see any of the supposed top guys this year as the kind of QB they have to have and would thus use a lot of picks to move up.  My guess is not.  But we'll see.

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2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I like the vibe of Joes thinking.  A real...cut the cord and go for broke approach.  There is no safety net in this approach.  

 

Cortes was a Spanish Conquistador who upon reaching his destination ordered hi ships destroyed telling his men they would have to conquer or die.  There was no going back.

 

no greater motivation to do everything to get a QB then having no other option but to have one.

But we've already been destroying our ships and dying for a lot of years, and we still haven't reached our destination.

16 minutes ago, simool said:

 

Man I am not sold on Rudolph, coupled with him looking like Mike Rodak and Carly Simon's love child? Pass... I would take Jackson before him or better yet, I would trade back and take Mike White over both of them.

 

 

With you on White.

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33 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

He traded Darby, Watkins, Ragland, Dareus, and he also traded for Benjamin. That’s a lot considering he hasn’t even been in Buffalo a year 

 

That's mainly getting rid of guys McD didn't want on the team.

 

Applause for a courtesy flush?

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2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I like the vibe of Joes thinking.  A real...cut the cord and go for broke approach.  There is no safety net in this approach.  

 

Cortes was a Spanish Conquistador who upon reaching his destination ordered hi ships destroyed telling his men they would have to conquer or die.  There was no going back.

 

no greater motivation to do everything to get a QB then having no other option but to have one.

 

Hernando Cortes has been dead for 470 years. I'd like to think that situation (and the aftermath) is a little different than a NFL franchise being aggressive to find a QB.

 

That said, you always have a backup plan when you're building a football team, especially at the QB position. Doug Whaley didn't in '13 (save for the never durable Kevin Kolb) and it resulted in Buffalo starting types like Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel in winnable games. In '14, they had someone, who retired after the season. The backup in '15 with Rex was traded when Dougie's boy EJM was in street clothes to begin the season. 

 

This ain't conquistadors in Mexico in the 16th century.

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2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I like the vibe of Joes thinking.  A real...cut the cord and go for broke approach.  There is no safety net in this approach.  

 

Cortes was a Spanish Conquistador who upon reaching his destination ordered hi ships destroyed telling his men they would have to conquer or die.  There was no going back.

 

no greater motivation to do everything to get a QB then having no other option but to have one.

well he did have a little luck on his side with all his troops carrying bio weapons (smallpox) for which the natives had no immunity...maybe the Bills can introduce some Influenza A into the draft room). 

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...pretty interesting assessment of Beane by Joe B and he certainly knows a helluva lot more than me (MOST do)......guess I never saw Beane as a wheeler dealer/riverboat gambler type.....

 

 

"If the Bills want to secure that player, they are likely going to need to move all the way up to get the job done. And if there’s any GM that can do it, the wheeling and dealing Brandon Beane certainly isn’t afraid of the task. "

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1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

But he didn’t cut them. He wheeled and dealed them

 

Traded 2 1sts and a 2nd rounder in their primes for a 6th (Dareus) a 2nd and a 3rd.   That's more of a toilet flush.

 

I'm not knocking Beane--he's about 10 orders of magnitude better than Clueless Doug already. 

 

Benjamin may be a good add, but Gaines is injury prone and likely won't be back with the money he will expect.

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4 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I like the vibe of Joes thinking.  A real...cut the cord and go for broke approach.  There is no safety net in this approach.  

 

Cortes was a Spanish Conquistador who upon reaching his destination ordered hi ships destroyed telling his men they would have to conquer or die.  There was no going back.

 

no greater motivation to do everything to get a QB then having no other option but to have one.

 

 

I would have liked to have seen Montana.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

But he didn’t cut them. He wheeled and dealed them

CB Nickell Robey-Coleman (Released 3/6) and S Corey Graham (Released 3/10) were cut by McD/Whiley and productive last year. 

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6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No thanks to the injury prone and awful McClown.   If the Bills do make the move to get Mayfield, I'd roll with him from day 1 as the #1 QB. 

 

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Lots and lots of options for sure. Which is far better than having no options.  The ONLY scenario I imagine that would NOT sell with the fan base is keeping Tyrod as the starter. All other options are going to be anyone’s guess and we’ll have to wait and see how it plays over the course of 2018.

 

Excuse me, but making decisions about QBs to placate the fans is exactly what got the Bills busts JP Losman and EJ Manuel as well as possibly missing in the playoffs in both 2013 and 2014 (assuming they kept Fitzpatrick).  The Bills need to do what's best to make the Bills a winning team rather than what boosts the bottom line by selling a few more tickets early in the season.  Making the playoffs -- and winning -- will take care of filling seats and making fans happy.  Ask the Jags.

 

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

A nice analysis, but the question is whether the Bills see any of the supposed top guys this year as the kind of QB they have to have and would thus use a lot of picks to move up.  My guess is not.  But we'll see.

 

This is my objection to all the advocates for taking a first round QB in 2018.  The only reason to take a first round QB, whether the Bills trade up or wait until #21, is because the Bills want that QB and none other.  He can't be their second choice.  He can't be drafted to placate the fans.  He has to be their guy.  If he's not, then pass.   Take  a QB in the second or third if they want an upgrade to Peterman.

 

BTW, I have no idea how they feel about any of the top QB prospects.

 

3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

But he didn’t cut them. He wheeled and dealed them

 

Since "wheeled and dealed" implies that Beane was a crafty negotiator who got more for them than he probably should have, I would say a more accurate description of his trades would be that Beane meekly took whatever the other teams were willing to give.  IMO, the Bills wouldn't have just cut Watkins -- and probably not Ragland and Dareus, either.  Moreover, if the 2018 draft doesn't yield big time results, then Beane's moves failed.

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5 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If you think Mayfield starts day 1, then I propose signing Fitzpatrick as his back-up.

 

Do you really want to draft Mayfield and jinx him like that?  Signing Ftiz as your backup pretty much insures your first stringer going down.  I don't know how he does it.  Todd Collins went years in between snaps as a backup.

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6 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Following Joe B's instructions, I hope it's McCown and Mayfield. 

I'll take Tyrod over McCown.

 

McCown had the better statistical year but coughed up a lot of Jets games with bad, Fitzpatrick esque turnovers at the absolute worst time. 

 

Still I agree with Joe. Do everything possible to secure a first round QB these guys like.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Traded 2 1sts and a 2nd rounder in their primes for a 6th (Dareus) a 2nd and a 3rd.   That's more of a toilet flush.

 

I'm not knocking Beane--he's about 10 orders of magnitude better than Clueless Doug already. 

 

Benjamin may be a good add, but Gaines is injury prone and likely won't be back with the money he will expect.

Yep.

 

Pretty much how I see it. Can't give Beane any credit yet. He traded away some pretty good players for unknown draft picks. Got to see how those draft picks pan out.

 

If they use those picks to get a franchise QB then hats off to them.

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