BuffaloBillyG Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 With the class of QBs this year Cleveland would be fools to take a QB #1. They can have the best player on their board and still get one of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen. Unless they absolutely fall in love with one of the QBs or one is overall #1 in their board that's exactly what I believe they will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Your correlation between height and pocket composure is baseless. As is your statement that he is by far the most composed Qb in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: With the class of QBs this year Cleveland would be fools to take a QB #1. They can have the best player on their board and still get one of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen. Unless they absolutely fall in love with one of the QBs or one is overall #1 in their board that's exactly what I believe they will do. With the class of Qbs get the best one at 1. Other Qbs get picked at 2 and 3. They get the best Qb and best player. Edited February 13, 2018 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He will be, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Is Sam Monsom secretly @Kirby Jackson??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, Mat68 said: With the class of Qbs get the best one at 1. Other Qbs get picked at 2 and 3. They the best Qb and best player. Ok. So who is the "best"? If they have, say Mayfield rated #1 what's the difference in their grade for the other 3? If they have all 4 with similar grades and are content that they one will 100% be there it's a good move. I do agree, however if they have one that is graded head and shoulders above the rest...take em 1st. I just don't see there being a huge drop from 1-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, DallasMac said: That's your opinion but I disagree. If he was 3 to 4 inches taller obviously this would be a different discussion. 1 hour ago, DallasMac said: His height is a concern. He just doesn't look comfortable in the pocket to me and seems to hold onto the ball too long bc of it. It looks a lot like how Tyrod looks in the pocket. That's my opinion at least. I think there is definitely potential there but that's a big concern. he's 6"1". Stop worrying. It's a meaningless concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Ive been on the Baker train since before it was cool. Earlier in the season he was my pick for the Bills and got flamed he wouldnt go before the 2nd round at best. The kid can ball, and I think the height is being over exaggerated. He is taller than two of the top 4 QB's in football which is Brees and Wilson. Not much shorter than Rogers either by a little over an inch. Sure, ideally you like to see this same QB prospect be 6'3 or taller, and if he was he would be the unquestioned #1 pick in this draft IMO. No one knows what will or wont happen for any of these guys in the NFL, but I think he is a seriously legit prospect, height issue and all. I also think of the big 4, he has the most potential to slide to us. Here are some plausible ways he slides to us at 21 or at least close enough where a trade up is affordable. Smith going to Washington now means Cousins unquestionably signs with a QB needy team, taking one more off the table. Best case for Bills (assuming they dont sign Cousins which would make this all not matter anyway) is for either the Jets, AZ or Broncos to land Cousins. If Cleveland really does prefer Allen as their QB and takes him either #1 or at #4 (if not, then I think he slides more than Baker ever would). Lamar Jackson has a strong combine/workouts. If those first two things happen, all of a sudden its not crazy to see Baker slide. Add in Lamar showing well, and I think Lamar can leap frog easily into the top 3 or 4 QBs taken in the draft where that would make Mayfield the likely odd man out as Darnold, Rosen, and Allen would have gone then Lamar. Look at the order ahead of us...striked out the ones definitely not taking a QB (could also trade the pick away though for someone who is). Cle NYG Indy Cle Den Jets TB Chi SF Oak Mia Cincy Wash GB AZ Balt LAC Sea Dal Det Teams almost certainly taking a QB first round are Cleveland, Jets, Denver, Arizona. And if Bills don't sign Cousins, odds are high one of those 3 do. So lets assume one of them is out of the QB market right off the bat. All talk is about Cleveland wanting Allen, so lets assume they take him at either #1 or #4. That leaves Rosen and Darnold available for either the Jets or Denver (or both if Cousins signs with AZ). Now Arians said he loves Lamar and thinks he is special. So quite possible other teams may feel the same, or more importantly, the Cardinals share the same sentiment based on Arians love for him. He could be someone that could easily go to AZ as well or even higher if he really impresses this offseason. All of a sudden, you got Allen going to Cle with the Jets, Broncos, and Cardinals combining to likely take some combo of Rosen, Cousins, and Darnold and Lamar potentially being in play too. That only leaves some future planning teams such as Wash and LAC looking to grab a guy for the future, or possibly Mia looking to add a QB before we pick. Even if Lamar doesn't go to AZ or someone else up there, that still leaves Mayfield there to potentially fall to us or fall low enough for us to grab in a cheaper trade up. If Lamar goes, then that means both a combo of Baker and one of Darnold or Rosen could have also slipped, making Baker even more likely to fall to us. A couple weeks ago I wasn't sure there was a scenario with could affordably get Baker, but after the Smith trade shook a few things up, I think it is once again plausible. Not to mention, there are still FA QB's that could remove a buyer or two. Edited February 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: he's 6"1". Stop worrying. It's a meaningless concern. He's not 6"1. He's not even 6 and a half. I'm not worried about anything. Im just saying that in my opinion I've seen evidence where he has issues with sitting in the pocket. Is it height related or is it just a lack of pocket presence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, DallasMac said: He's not 6"1. He's not even 6 and a half. I'm not worried about anything. Im just saying that in my opinion I've seen evidence where he has issues with sitting in the pocket. Is it height related or is it just a lack of pocket presence? Still taller than Wilson and Brees. And just a little over an inch shorter than Rogers. So his height isn't necessarily damming of his future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, DallasMac said: He's not 6"1. He's not even 6 and a half. I'm not worried about anything. Im just saying that in my opinion I've seen evidence where he has issues with sitting in the pocket. Is it height related or is it just a lack of pocket presence? Who cares? Ask Russell Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Still taller than Wilson and Brees. And just a little over an inch shorter than Rogers. So his height isn't necessarily damming of his future. No, I absolutely agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Who cares? Ask Russell Wilson. Here's the thing - Baker Mayfield is not Super Bowl winning QB, Russell Wilson. In fact, he's a far cry from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Here's the thing - Baker Mayfield is not Super Bowl winning QB, Russell Wilson. In fact, he's a far cry from it. Here's the other thing....neither was Wilson before he won it. People said the same thing about Wilson coming out of college. They ignored ALL of his obvious skills which were evident for YEARS in college and concluded....he's too short. Mind boggling but true. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Weak analysis by pff. The draft is about projection of 21 year olds, not past results in a conference with no defense. Mayfield is good, but the foundationsof the analysis are really flawed. Stick to pro football, pff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think it's obvious...if Cleveland or the Giants pass on him because of his height, it's going to be laughably bone-headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Here's the other thing....neither was Wilson before he won it. People said the same thing about Wilson coming out of college. They ignored ALL of his obvious skills which were evident for YEARS in college and concluded....he's too short. Mind boggling but true. For every Russel Wilson there are numerous short qbs that aren't successful that were in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, DallasMac said: For every Russel Wilson there are numerous short qbs that aren't successful that were in college. He's not short. And....so what? How many were as successful as Mayfield in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Ok. So who is the "best"? If they have, say Mayfield rated #1 what's the difference in their grade for the other 3? If they have all 4 with similar grades and are content that they one will 100% be there it's a good move. I do agree, however if they have one that is graded head and shoulders above the rest...take em 1st. I just don't see there being a huge drop from 1-4. Why risk it or at best looked inept. They pick a rb or db #1 and the 3rd Qb at 4 they look like they couldnt make up there mind and were scared to pick the wrong guy. Whoever, is rated higher and fits you future the best you draft them. Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfiled, Jackson. Idc whoever you think in 10 years is the best qb you take them 1. Fitzpatrick, Chubb, or Barkley maybe all three are there at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts