Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: IIRC, they won the division that year with a 9-7 record. Doesn't seem so tough to me. Again, Cousins is pretty good. For the money he'll command, I want great and he simply isn't IMO. You and Mcgoughan should buy each other beers, you'd get on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: You and Mcgoughan should buy each other beers, you'd get on! Yeah. He really needs a beer. I just happen to agree with him on Cousins. You'd think I said he stinks based on some people's reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 hours ago, aristocrat said: he would give us the best chance at winning next year. Right up McBeane's alley. Win now ( Cousins) and in the future. ( Not having to move up but use the 5 picks in the top 100 to get starters ) and most importantly since Cousins will eat up a lot of cap. Players on their rookie deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, aristocrat said: he had no idea back in nov that cousins would be a free agent. he needed a guy. jimmy could turn out to be a great qb or he could bust out. it's not a slam dunk he's gonna be any good. He must have some idea that Washington wasn't going to meet Cousins price = FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Kirk Cousins had arguably just as bad a receivers group this year, and a worse running game and even a worse offensive line IMO. He still finished with significantly better production and efficiency than Tyrod did. In a close game where one different play would have changed the outcome I feel confident that he would have won. Washington's WRs are better than those 4 from the Bengals game, but regardelss look at the production w/ and without Jordan Reed (their Charles Clay). The Redskins scored ~25.3 points per game when Jordan Reed played, and only 18.3 points per game when he didn't (we scored 16 against the Bengals). The run game is meaningless when there is no threat to catch the football. As soon as Clay left injured the defense only needed to cover McCoy. There was no other threat on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The one thing I will say about the Cousins situation is that if you look back at the few times Carolina played Washington over the years, McDermott's defense pretty much shut him down. He had 315 passing yards on MNF a couple of years ago, but also had some bad turnovers. I can't imagine he was super impressed on the other side. Or perhaps they had to work hard to gameplan for him. McDermott's opinion on him is going to drive this situation. Guys who ripped apart the Panthers over the years are guys like Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Kirk's interceptions kept the Redskins out of the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 getting cousins would handcuff the team, there's just too many holes. that said of all the suitors he will have, i just don't see bills being high on his wish list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, jr1 said: Kirk's interceptions kept the Redskins out of the playoffs And his touchdowns and yards are the only reason they were closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 hours ago, matter2003 said: Best in what way? Stats? Sorry I'm more interested in winning. He has definitely proven his ability to lead a team to a 7/8 win season. Cue the excuses for his lack of leadership and big game/big situation ability. Rather have a rookie than a 29 year old uber expensive average to above average QB who has reached the peak of his abilities. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Cousins is a good QB within the structure of an offense, but not so much when a play breaks down. He sure as hell doesn't lift the talent around him. Funny how Kyle Shanahan chose Jimmy G when everyone was sure he'd just wait until Cousins hit UFA. Nope, he had a chance to grab the better QB even though it required a 2nd round pick. That should tell you quite a bit as Shanahan said himself. Exactly. Shanahan knows Cousins and rolled their dice with Jimmy. Cousins is good, not great, and will not make the team better around him. Whether he is better than Tyrod, or the other hot garbage we have been rolling out forever, is besides the point. We need to do better than Cousins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Washington's WRs are better than those 4 from the Bengals game, but regardelss look at the production w/ and without Jordan Reed (their Charles Clay). The Redskins scored ~25.3 points per game when Jordan Reed played, and only 18.3 points per game when he didn't (we scored 16 against the Bengals). The run game is meaningless when there is no threat to catch the football. As soon as Clay left injured the defense only needed to cover McCoy. There was no other threat on the field. That's very interesting about Jordan Reed. But the Redskins scored 27 passing TDs to our 16. Despite having a rush game that was 30th in YPA (ours was 14th). Cousins was able to be a productive passer in spite of a poor rushing game. Our rush YPA in the Bengals game was only 0.2 YPA lower than the Redskins total rush YPA for the whole year. Which indicates to me that Cousins could have been productive in that game even with our rush game being as bad as it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Outside of Brady/Rodgers/Brees, no QB was scoring with the garbage that we fielded to catch passes against Cincy once Clay went down. It was so bad that they had to sign Deonte Thompson (a guy who was cut from the Bears, who didn't exactly have elite wr talent on the roster) off the street 2 days after the game. In case people don't remember, here are the WRs: Zay Jones - 1 Catch, 9 Yards, 6 Targets Brandon Tate - 2 Catches, 25 Yards, 1 TD, 4 Targets Andre Holmes - 0 Catches, 1 Target Kaelin Clay - 0 Catches 1 Target Wow. Lol i remember that week going into the game, i was like " yeah we could win....but who is Tyrod gonna throw it to?" Drop Zone Jones with the big boy stats lol Edit: Our WR group is only propped up by Bills and Jets fans. Outside of that we are badddddd. Edit: Edited February 13, 2018 by FearLess Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 @BuffaloHokie13 the would be TD pass play to Logan Thomas alone would have changed the outcome of the Bengals game. I feel very confident Cousins would have made that throw even if everything else remained the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, H2o said: Kirk Cousins' last 3 seasons http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/careerstats Tyrod Taylor's last 3 seasons http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/careerstats Cousins is clearly the better QB and is mobile enough as well. He would be an upgrade over Tyrod, hence the best QB for us since Kelly. My point was that you set a low bar. My other point is that Washington didn't have much success with Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: My point was that you set a low bar. My other point is that Washington didn't have much success with Cousins. The lack of success that Washington has had, as you describe it, doesn't mean that he was a primary reason for it. The OL was battered with injuries and their run game was less than mediocre. Cousin was very often under duress and still he played well. As with Buffalo his receiver corps was very mediocre. You may find many liabilities in his game but without question Cousins is the qb who will be most in demand in the market. When he is allowed to officially hit the market there will be plenty of teams competing for his service. I have argued not to sign him because of the contract it will take to sign him. But if he was signed the Bills would be a significantly better team and instantly be a more serious team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I like Mayock, and I love that he’s high on our top guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Or perhaps because after they jerked him around for 2 seasons they realized he had no intention of signing a long term contract? But you know, go with your narrative. They didnt jerk him around, they didnt believe he was worth the money. They still don't. Neither do a lot of other people, FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I like the big picture I’m seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: My point was that you set a low bar. My other point is that Washington didn't have much success with Cousins. Oh yes, because all of the other FA options are better than Kirk. We are not ransoming the farm to move up to get Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold. I just don't see it happening. I would rather have Cousins than Rudolph or Jackson as Cousins has already proven he can play pretty well in the NFL. If we could have a QB come in and put up those numbers imagine how the rest of the offense would look. I don't think that's setting the bar low at all my friend. Washington is a team. Teams win as such and with solid coaching at every phase. Gruden hasn't really shown that much, the team lacks talent on both sides of the ball, and Kirk isn't a one man show. Some great QB's have been on some not so great teams at times over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, MDFan said: He has definitely proven his ability to lead a team to a 7/8 win season. Cue the excuses for his lack of leadership and big game/big situation ability. Rather have a rookie than a 29 year old uber expensive average to above average QB who has reached the peak of his abilities. Exactly. Shanahan knows Cousins and rolled their dice with Jimmy. Cousins is good, not great, and will not make the team better around him. Whether he is better than Tyrod, or the other hot garbage we have been rolling out forever, is besides the point. We need to do better than Cousins. To the point I made earlier with regard to Cousins vs. Garoppolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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