The Jokeman Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the Bills (surprisingly) tried to trade for martavis Bryant last year, so that’s probably why he went there https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/Report-Bills-showed-interest-in-trading-for-Pittsburgh-Steelers-WR-Martavis-Bryant-109764154 It sounds like when we failed to nab Bryant we grabbed Benjamin instead. So am guessing McBeane wanted to grab a big WR which we now have, I can't see us pursuing Bryant now. As right now, to me, our need at WR is a slot guy and a someone that could replace Tate as KR/PR. I've brought him up before, and we showed interest in him https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/8/5/16101808/buffalo-bills-news-claim-for-bruce-ellington-sammy-watkins-zay-jones-andre-holmes-rod-streater, but think Bruce Ellington be a solid add this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Why are people so down on Foles? Doesn't Daboll like running RPOs? Foles has played really well with two different OCs who allowed him to do what he is good at. He is far from a sure thing but then again so are all the kids coming out. For me I think that he has had times where he has been awful and great. He is on fire at the moment. He has been good at running RPOs for sure. I’m not positive that he is an upgrade from Tyrod in that scheme. I’m not interested in spending a 1st on him (despite how well he played in the playoffs). He had a great year, a great playoffs but struggled the rest of his career. Trade up and get a guy that can be a star. Have a vet here to hold down the fort. I wouldn’t hate a trade for Foles but wouldn’t be excited either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: For me I think that he has had times where he has been awful and great. He is on fire at the moment. He has been good at running RPOs for sure. I’m not positive that he is an upgrade from Tyrod in that scheme. I’m not interested in spending a 1st on him (despite how well he played in the playoffs). He had a great year, a great playoffs but struggled the rest of his career. Trade up and get a guy that can be a star. Have a vet here to hold down the fort. I wouldn’t hate a trade for Foles but wouldn’t be excited either. if it's a third and we don't give him a new contract i'm on board. or at least maybe just a one year extension i'm good. but people are saying he's gonna get a longer big money deal on a team team similar to alex smith or something. i'm not willing to risk that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, JohnC said: Foles would be a tremendous update from what we have now. That is indisputable. The issue comes down to value. Is using a first round pick on Foles worth giving up an opportunity to take a qb prospect such as Rudolph or Jackson? The issue comes down to pursuing short term goals at the expense of a long term solution. No one is saying that a drafted qb is a sure thing. Or the flip side of the question is Foles a long term answer at qb? I agree John. If I have to choose between Rudolph, Foles, Jackson and the cost is #22 I'm taking Foles each and every time. I haven't seen a good argument that would explain otherwise. If the cost is multiple firsts or a trade and a 100 million dollar contract then obviously that is a different discussion entirely. Right now Nick Foles for the 22nd pick, lets go. You're correct when you said he would be a huge upgrade over TT. He understands the game at the LOS and if given time he is an above average passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: First he says it's early and we don't know what the Bills front office will do, shortly after he has them trading for Martavis Bryant. I understand it's a lot to cover all 32 teams but as a Bills fan that trade shows yah all you need to know. Just freeballing. 43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: For me I think that he has had times where he has been awful and great. He is on fire at the moment. He has been good at running RPOs for sure. I’m not positive that he is an upgrade from Tyrod in that scheme. I’m not interested in spending a 1st on him (despite how well he played in the playoffs). He had a great year, a great playoffs but struggled the rest of his career. Trade up and get a guy that can be a star. Have a vet here to hold down the fort. I wouldn’t hate a trade for Foles but wouldn’t be excited either. Good point re: Foles. I think whatever Vet we get the OC will have to focus on what the vet does and does not do well. None of the Vet QB's we get will be the long-term answer. Just have to find the best bridge for the rookie QB to learn from. And I totally agree on cost. No way am I paying above a 3rd for a vet QB, esp. when you can pick up a FA Vet (from Minny for ex). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Talk about walls of text. I bet EII was enthused at his voluminous verbiage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Some guy mocked the entire offseason. There are trades, fa, and a 4-round mock. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kJ5ozdIyztU_yl5n8vFL3zr-3yAAOI14zqmHCt7HfSY/mobilebasic This is utterly awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Talk about walls of text. I bet EII was enthused at his voluminous verbiage. 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: This is utterly awesome. Yeah, that guy has a lot of time on his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, that guy has a lot of time on his hands. He spent it well. It's clearly his hobby, and he's good at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: He spent it well. It's clearly his hobby, and he's good at it. It was pretty impressive for a guy that can’t follow all of the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Anything that starts with Foles for a first is no bueno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I have had Martavis Bryant to the Bills for a 4th rounder on most of my offseason mocks. It makes sense because: 1) the Bills tried to trade for him before the deadline 2) he is the true speed X or Z receiver that they need 3) he has the size that the Carolina guys seem to want 4) He is still on his rookie contract 5) but on the outs with the Steelers, who are deep at WR...... and entering his walk year 6) McD and Tomlin are part of that William and Mary connection so Tomlin would probably tell him if he is worth the risk 7) if he pans out he will probably have to accept less in FA due to his suspension issues.....making it possible for the Bills to potentially ink both he and Benjamin beyond next year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: He spent it well. It's clearly his hobby, and he's good at it. It was great work.........would love to have his input here on TSW. That draft he did may not thrill people but would make a good deal of sense............I just don't see the Bills trading a #1 for Foles and not drafting a QB. If you gotta' run RPO........and you do if you have Foles..........then just keep Tyrod and go get your potential franchise QB on the roster. Sleeper to Bills IMO.......NaVorro Bowman. Seems like a poor fit on paper......too slow.......but I could see this team trying to patch up some holes on defense with instinctive/savvy vets on short term deals rather than turn over a lot of starting jobs to rookies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 hours ago, corta765 said: If the Bills trade a 1st for Nick Foles I wouldn't buy tickets for a single game. so...we can put you down for season tickets? you must really like that kid! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 hours ago, corta765 said: If the Bills trade a 1st for Nick Foles I wouldn't buy tickets for a single game. Thats harsh. what if he was getting paid 8 mil by Buffalo to back up ..... ....... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Entertaining at the very least. The guy sure does love football to put that together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Gaines gets away in FA but the Bills pick a WR(Gallup) then trade for one with a BA(MB). I also didn't see Jordan Matthews landing spot. No help on the O line. PB gets signed away and there is no replacement at MLB drafted or FA I am glad he is not the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I like everything except for losing Gaines, the rest works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 8:22 AM, YoloinOhio said: I think the Bills (surprisingly) tried to trade for martavis Bryant last year, so that’s probably why he went there https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/Report-Bills-showed-interest-in-trading-for-Pittsburgh-Steelers-WR-Martavis-Bryant-109764154 Wonder if they were just trying to get additional estimates for what Kbenj should be worth or needed another option to reference for the negotiations with Carolina ? Character fit seems off for it to be genuine interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Here's my crummy Bills only pipe-dream version in step-by-step excel format: 2018 Offseason Highlights if you don't want to view everything: - I'm under the projected T-51 salary cap with my camp roster, though my valuation numbers may be off on players. But I tried, so there's that. I did most of that actual cap stuff with Spotrac's tool plus their estimated pick costs. - I have at least 1 of every position on the camp roster (71 total players at this point) - Bills FAs Retained: Preston Brown, Leonard Johnson, Ramon Humber, Nick O'Leary, a few more depth guys - Tyrod cut - Bills trade Cordy Glenn, Picks 21, 22, and a 2019 1st to Indianapolis for the 3rd overall pick - Bills sign Bennie Logan, Kyle Fuller, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Connor Barwin, and Taylor Gabriel in FA - Bills draft Josh Rosen (or Mayfield, or Darnold... w/e), and get help at LB, G, DT, RB, EDGE, & CB I'll probably modify it more as I invest more time into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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