SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) This discussion is going on in many threads so I thought if we focused this in one thread it would help. Spotrac has this cool new (to me anyway) toy to play with Estimated Cap of $31,336,937. So lets play GM on Spotrac http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ go here and Click on Manage Roster Manage Roster with the log listed below the new Estimated Cap of $53,026,937 $53,026,937 TRANSACTIONS LOG Released Tyrod Taylor(Saved: $9,440,000) Restructured Cordy Glenn (Saved: $5,640,000) Restructured Jerry Hughes (Saved: $2,717,500) Restructured Charles Clay (Saved: $1,792,500) Restructured LeSean McCoy (Saved: $2,580,000) Releasing TT alone gives them a cap savings of $9,440,000 and a new figure of $40,296,937 Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Who would you keep, release and or restructure? Unrestricted Free Agents QB Joe Webb RB Mike Tolbert RB Travaris Cadet RB Taiwan Jones WR Deonte Thompson WR Jordan Matthews WR Brandon Tate WR Jeremy Butler OT Seantrel Henderson DL Kyle Williams DL Cedric Thornton LB Preston Brown LB Ramon Humber CB EJ Gaines CB Leonard Johnson CB Shareece Wright S Colt Anderson S Shamarko Thomas Exclusive Rights Free Agents TE Nick O’Leary TE Logan Thomas DE Eddie Yarbrough CB Lafayette Pitts Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that while restructuring contracts frees up cap room this year, it pushes those costs onto subsequent years. Beane has voiced opposition to this tactic several times, even using the phrase "kicking the can down the road." It sounds like one of his major goals has been to fix the teams' cap situation by paying out our expensive contracts as soon as possible. 2018 would be a prime year to do that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Who would you keep, release and or restructure? Unrestricted Free Agents QB Joe Webb - let walk RB Mike Tolbert - let walk RB Travaris Cadet - keep (either him or Jones) RB Taiwan Jones -, keep (either him or Cadet) WR Deonte Thompson - walk WR Jordan Matthews - walk WR Brandon Tate - walk WR Jeremy Butler - walk OT Seantrel Henderson - walk DL Kyle Williams - keep (assuming he wants to come back) DL Cedric Thornton - keep (we need depth) LB Preston Brown - depends on asking price LB Ramon Humber - keep if we dont re-sign brown CB EJ Gaines - would like to keep, depends on asking price CB Leonard Johnson - keep CB Shareece Wright - walk S Colt Anderson - walk S Shamarko Thomas - walk Exclusive Rights Free Agents TE Nick O’Leary - keep TE Logan Thomas - keep DE Eddie Yarbrough - keep CB Lafayette Pitts - walk Here is my initial reaction 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, SoFFacet said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that while restructuring contracts frees up cap room this year, it pushes those costs onto subsequent years. Beane has voiced opposition to this tactic several times, even using the phrase "kicking the can down the road." It sounds like one of his major goals has been to fix the teams' cap situation by paying out our expensive contracts as soon as possible. 2018 would be a prime year to do that. This is true. What players do you want to keep another 2 to 5 years? Those are the ones I would target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: This is true. What players do you want to keep another 2 to 5 years? Those are the ones I would target. I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, SoFFacet said: I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. Seems every single statement from the experts give a different answer for a salary cap amount for a given team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. and every year the cap goes up. The key is to not overpay or heavily back load a contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This discussion is going on in many threads so I thought if we focused this in one thread it would help. Spotrac has this cool new (to me anyway) toy to play with Estimated Cap of $31,336,937. So lets play GM on Spotrac http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ go here and Click on Manage Roster Manage Roster with the log listed below the new Estimated Cap of $53,026,937 $53,026,937 TRANSACTIONS LOG Released Tyrod Taylor(Saved: $9,440,000) Restructured Cordy Glenn (Saved: $5,640,000) Restructured Jerry Hughes (Saved: $2,717,500) Restructured Charles Clay (Saved: $1,792,500) Restructured LeSean McCoy (Saved: $2,580,000) Releasing TT alone gives them a cap savings of $9,440,000 and a new figure of $40,296,937 Does this include the estimated increase of the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: and every year the cap goes up. The key is to not overpay or heavily back load a contract Okay. But the cap will go up regardless. If we just pay our guys this year, that would maximize our cap space in 2019 and beyond. I would still release Tyrod because we can't have him lingering around as we try to move on. But other than that I wouldn't restructure anyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Trade/Cut TT Trade Glenn - Dawkins did fine, save money, get picks The rest - Trust the process Oh yeah....keep Tolbert off the field! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Magox said: Does this include the estimated increase of the cap? To be honest I'm not sure. after looking I would would guess yes. 2017 was just under $167,000,000 Adjusted (projected ) 2018 cap $188,668,589 An increase of ~ $21,668,589 Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, Virgil said: Trade/Cut TT Trade Glenn - Dawkins did fine, save money, get picks The rest - Trust the process Oh yeah....keep Tolbert off the field! Pretty much on board with this idea. Let Tolbert chill in the OC booth all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Thanks. Good thread. I was wondering about the cap situation next year, especially with the dead money from Woo and TT if they release him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Who would you keep, release and or restructure? Unrestricted Free Agents QB Joe Webb RB Mike Tolbert RB Travaris Cadet RB Taiwan Jones WR Deonte Thompson WR Jordan Matthews WR Brandon Tate WR Jeremy Butler OT Seantrel Henderson DL Kyle Williams DL Cedric Thornton LB Preston Brown LB Ramon Humber CB EJ Gaines CB Leonard Johnson CB Shareece Wright S Colt Anderson S Shamarko Thomas Exclusive Rights Free Agents TE Nick O’Leary TE Logan Thomas DE Eddie Yarbrough CB Lafayette Pitts 100% keep: Jordan Matthews (we need WRs. He's solid) Ej Gaines (he's my #1 FA to keep) Kyle Williams (just gotta keep him) Taiwan Jones (just the name alone makes it worthwhile imo) The rest I haven't looked into enough to really give opinion on, other than Tolbert, please be gone!! Also I think hapless had found somewhere that if we could trade Tyrod it would save another $7-8mil off his cap hit with only $2.5 dead money (Assuming you could find a partner, which isn't likely) Edited February 1, 2018 by SouthNYfan Added tyrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: 100% keep: Jordan Matthews (we need WRs. He's solid) Ej Gaines (he's my #1 FA to keep) Kyle Williams (just gotta keep him) Taiwan Jones (just the name alone makes it worthwhile imo) The rest I haven't looked into enough to really give opinion on, other than Tolbert, please be gone!! Also I think hapless had found somewhere that if we could trade Tyrod it would save another $7-8mil off his cap hit with only $2.5 dead money (Assuming you could find a partner, which isn't likely) Yeah, I heard similar. Unfortunately the tool doesn't have an I didn't use the option for "Trade". I was also wondering how the Wood retirement changes things. I've heard the Bills have to eat the cap cost. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/1/29/16947080/eric-woods-retirement-on-hold-as-nflpa-buffalo-bills-tussle-over-signing-bonus-money-salary-cap an excerpt “Center Eric Wood’s retirement is on hold over questions about whether the Buffalo Bills can ask him to return a portion of the contract bonus he received for signing a two-year extension in August, a person with direct knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press,” reports John Wawrow. Wawrow notes this is why Wood did not announce his retirement. Wood received a $6.5 million signing bonus in 2017 as part of the new contract. He has $4 million remaining in pro-rated signing bonus money that seems to be at the core of the argument. Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Yeah, I heard similar. Unfortunately the tool doesn't have an option for "Trade". I was also wondering how the Wood retirement changes things. I've heard the Bills have to eat the cap cost. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/1/29/16947080/eric-woods-retirement-on-hold-as-nflpa-buffalo-bills-tussle-over-signing-bonus-money-salary-cap an excerpt “Center Eric Wood’s retirement is on hold over questions about whether the Buffalo Bills can ask him to return a portion of the contract bonus he received for signing a two-year extension in August, a person with direct knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press,” reports John Wawrow. Wawrow notes this is why Wood did not announce his retirement. Wood received a $6.5 million signing bonus in 2017 as part of the new contract. He has $4 million remaining in pro-rated signing bonus money that seems to be at the core of the argument. It does have trade!! I just used it! It's the little blue arrow thing Can only trade for a player, so I traded hotrod to Cleveland for a guy making like $50k just to pretend it was a draft pick Then I restructured shady and Glenn, cut wood just as an estimate Left me with $51mil about open cap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Traded Tyrod Taylor (BUF) for Dontrell Nelson (DEN) - cheapest guy on the roster (Saved: $10,438,666) Cap $41,296,937 Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills8323 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Do you see us keeping Travaris Cadet or Taiwan Jones?? Do we not keep either, or maybe both??..Who do you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I would love to keep Cadet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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