Bakin Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Not one to complain about This...but.... was that ever A LOT of former Bills we watched today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 You are the 1st to notice this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Five of the players were free agents. That's what happens. They leave sometimes. We wouldn't have Hyde or Poyer for example. Marrone left in a power struggle. And stories I've read is he's a different coach there so maybe he learned something here. I do wish Schwartz had been kept. And retrospectively I would have taken Marrone over Ryan for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Don’t forget Corey Graham! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I was down on Whaley toward the end but I'm starting to think the guy got kind of a raw deal. Granted, he sucked at QB evaluation and made questionable decisions wrt trading up, but it seems he was good at finding position players that worked in the scheme he was scouting for. I never gave him a pass on having coaches thrust upon him because a GM should be accountable for coaching decisions, but with the benefit of hindsight it appears he was a GM in name only and was really just the head of player personnel. I'm not saying we should have kept him, but I think he's better than I and many others gave him credit for. Edited January 22, 2018 by Rob's House 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Hamburg Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I always liked Doug Marrone and Jim Schwartz...should have kept one of these coaches somehow...but the Bills front office always seems to know more and be smarter than every one of us...so thanks to them for letting everyone go..then Hiring REX...then his Brother>>>LOL ...come on man!!!!! Edited January 22, 2018 by MC Hamburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Former defensive coach Jerry gray with the vikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 A lot of talent has left this team over the last few year. Gilmore, Darby, Dareus (if his head is in it), Bradham and Poz are all quality defensive players. I wish things could have worked out differently and we could have figured out how to make it work with some of these players. It is going to take some time to replenish the talent on the roster. Another strong draft will help, unless we trade away a bunch of picks to move up for a QB or LB. I think the Bills can learn from the Sabres. Use the picks and don't trade them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 We always had some good players, but without a QB it didn't mean a thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 George Edwards! Running Zimmer's defense. He was a terrible DC here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, OJABBA said: We always had some good players, but without a QB it didn't mean a thing. Bills do have that "kid" on the group W bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Don’t care about them, not Bills now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Tyrod Taylor....wait....is he still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: I was down on Whaley toward the end but I'm starting to think the guy got kind of a raw deal. Granted, he sucked at QB evaluation and made questionable decisions wrt trading up, but it seems he was good at finding position players that worked in the scheme he was scouting for. I never gave him a pass on having coaches thrust upon him because a GM should be accountable for coaching decisions, but with the benefit of hindsight it appears he was a GM in name only and was really just the head of player personnel. I'm not saying we should have kept him, but I think he's better than I and many others gave him credit for. I think it’s fair. I think you have to acknowledge the coaching dynamic- but that doesn’t excuse him. His inability to obtain the power one needs to succeed is as much of a strike against him as picking the wrong coach would be. When the guy that is supposed to be in charge is willing to be complacent and defer major decisions instead of making the case to his boss for how things need to be— that’s a failure. but I think that it’s hard to argue that outside of qb the marrone/schwartz team had a fantastic 50 other players assembled. Likewise, for as often as we switched scheme- we kept talent levels high. i will always be curious about the discussions about qb (draft and free agency) that happened behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I think it’s fair. I think you have to acknowledge the coaching dynamic- but that doesn’t excuse him. His inability to obtain the power one needs to succeed is as much of a strike against him as picking the wrong coach would be. When the guy that is supposed to be in charge is willing to be complacent and defer major decisions instead of making the case to his boss for how things need to be— that’s a failure. but I think that it’s hard to argue that outside of qb the marrone/schwartz team had a fantastic 50 other players assembled. Likewise, for as often as we switched scheme- we kept talent levels high. i will always be curious about the discussions about qb (draft and free agency) that happened behind closed doors. I agree completely. If he didn't express his opposition to Rex Ryan he deserves all the blame for that hire and what it led to. I actually don't think Rex was all that bad. He never really got the opportunity to implement his system with his guys. Year 2 saw his 1st and 2nd rd picks on IR before the season started. But if Whaley was down for the hire he was down for all that came with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I think it’s fair. I think you have to acknowledge the coaching dynamic- but that doesn’t excuse him. His inability to obtain the power one needs to succeed is as much of a strike against him as picking the wrong coach would be. When the guy that is supposed to be in charge is willing to be complacent and defer major decisions instead of making the case to his boss for how things need to be— that’s a failure. but I think that it’s hard to argue that outside of qb the marrone/schwartz team had a fantastic 50 other players assembled. Likewise, for as often as we switched scheme- we kept talent levels high. i will always be curious about the discussions about qb (draft and free agency) that happened behind closed doors. In some ways he acquired a lot of good players but that didnt turn us into a good team...sometimes he tried to fit square pegs into round holes. There is a difference between building a team with a lot of good players and building a good team with players who all fill a certain role well and take pride in playing that role to the best of their ability... I think that is what we are going to see under Beane and McDermott Edited January 22, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: I was down on Whaley toward the end but I'm starting to think the guy got kind of a raw deal. Granted, he sucked at QB evaluation and made questionable decisions wrt trading up, but it seems he was good at finding position players that worked in the scheme he was scouting for. I never gave him a pass on having coaches thrust upon him because a GM should be accountable for coaching decisions, but with the benefit of hindsight it appears he was a GM in name only and was really just the head of player personnel. I'm not saying we should have kept him, but I think he's better than I and many others gave him credit for. He did get a raw deal. He made a few errors but we had more talent on the team than Donohoe or Nix could assemble. A GM should have the power of picking his own coach. Whaley was never given that opportunity. I wonder how Beane's responsibilities will break down. My big concern heading into the off season is will Beane be able to evaluate talent as well as Whaley...I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Real McClappy Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, jahnyc said: A lot of talent has left this team over the last few year. Gilmore, Darby, Dareus (if his head is in it), Bradham and Poz are all quality defensive players. I wish things could have worked out differently and we could have figured out how to make it work with some of these players. It is going to take some time to replenish the talent on the roster. Another strong draft will help, unless we trade away a bunch of picks to move up for a QB or LB. I think the Bills can learn from the Sabres. Use the picks and don't trade them. Nice post Also, need to find a way to retain our picks so we don't have to waste more picks year after year replenishing the holes we make. I get that it's a cycle of the NFL but our attrition rate is absolutely horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, matter2003 said: In some ways he acquired a lot of good players but that didnt turn us into a good team...sometimes he tried to fit square pegs into round holes. There is a difference between building a team with a lot of good players and building a good team with players who all fill a certain role well and take pride in playing that role to the best of their ability... I think that is what we are going to see under Beane and McDermott Meh. I’m not denying pride and work ethic are big. But I think it’s hard to get 53 high talent, big, fast, smart, healthy, self motivated guys under the cap. So do you get less talent? Or take risks elsewhere? I tend to think the best teams keep some rough around the edges guys and count on the fact that when you are in the big moments they will show up. A guy that’s a trouble maker on a 6-10 squad can be a super bowl mvp on a 13-3 team kind of thing. ultimately there is a balance though. If the EJ pick worked, I don’t think we run into as much trouble with motivation. You’d have guys winning, in a scheme they were suited to play in for coaches they signed up to play for... im hoping that McD finds his couple of explosive guys that come cheaper than they should because of trouble but drink the kool aid while they are here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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