BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If we don't go QB I say pass rush will be #1 priority, DE Clemson Austin Bryant, he can get to the QB. I'll go athletic ILB , it's a must in this scheme and Preston Brown although he made a ton of tackles is still a liability. ILB Rashaan Evans is a great athlete, hits like a ton of bricks and can drop into coverage, he isn't polished in that area but the coaches can work with him.Those would be my non QB choices, of course I think they should trade up and get one imo but I would not hate the latter either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I have a feeling Mason Rudolph is the guy the Bills are looking at. He out of the Senior Bowl, that was going to be very big for him for scouts to see him under Center and a week of practice. So possible that we can even have him the 2nd round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said: If we don't go QB I say pass rush will be #1 priority, DE Clemson Austin Bryant, he can get to the QB. I'll go athletic ILB , it's a must in this scheme and Preston Brown although he made a ton of tackles is still a liability. ILB Rashaan Evans is a great athlete, hits like a ton of bricks and can drop into coverage, he isn't polished in that area but the coaches can work with him.Those would be my non QB choices, of course I think they should trade up and get one imo but I would not hate the latter either. All of the Clemson defensive linemen went back to school. 1 minute ago, wppete said: I have a feeling Mason Rudolph is the guy the Bills are looking at. He out of the Senior Bowl, that was going to be very big for him for scouts to see him under Center and a week of practice. So possible that we can even have him the 2nd round. God I hope not. - mediocre arm - no mobility - poor short and intermediate accuracy - no experience under centre Gross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, wppete said: I have a feeling Mason Rudolph is the guy the Bills are looking at. He out of the Senior Bowl, that was going to be very big for him for scouts to see him under Center and a week of practice. So possible that we can even have him the 2nd round. everyone else will be picked before 21 imo so unless we trade up he is the only one we would have a shot at. i think we would have to take him at 21 knowing the Saints or Pats might want to add him as a backup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, kdiggz said: And Mayfield wishes he was half the physical athlete of any those guys because I think he would die for this game. If he doesn't make it I don't think it will be for a lack of effort. Too bad you can't put him into one of their bodies! If he puts that same effort into his preparation and becomes a student of the game and stays level headed, he can be a good player. There's just so much to overcome when you are short and can't see where you are throwing a lot of the time. You really have to know exactly where the receiver is going to be. I don't know if he will be able to put it all together so I would be leery of drafting him top 10. Someone will reach though. Has anyone ever seen what it really looks like from the pocket for guys like Mayfield, Flutie, Tyrod Taylor? I'm curious to see what they see, when they are short QBs behind massive o-linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think one thing that is changeable on this list is the attitude. Rosen needs an attitude check. Everything else is good. Those other guys have pretty major flaws and therefore have a better chance to bust. Darnold has a good chance to make it if you let him sit 2 years. Mayfield will never get bigger, Jackson probably can't win from the pocket, Allen needs a lot of work (needs to sit 2-3 years), and Rudolph is slow with a so so arm as well as the footwork issues (To me he's Josh Allen without physical talent). I'm willing to take a shot of Rosen, Darnold, or even Allen round 1. The rest of those guys are a no for me. I think Mayfield is a borderline first round pick, but Buffalo will not draft him. So to me its Rosen. Now if Rosen is a Ryan Leaf level douche then he's off the board, but if he's just a spoiled kid I'm good with it. Ya that is impossible to know without interviewing the kid and people that have worked with him. I think if Rosens attitude checks out he is the clear cut number 1. From what I have read on him I think he will be Jay Cutler 2.0 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: All of the Clemson defensive linemen went back to school. God I hope not. - mediocre arm - no mobility - poor short and intermediate accuracy - no experience under centre Gross... I dont agree with your accuracy assessment. I think he has great short and intermediate accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, billspro said: I dont agree with your accuracy assessment. I think he has great short and intermediate accuracy. Most of his scouting reports disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Most of his scouting reports disagree. Interested if you still think that after you watch a few of his games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, kdiggz said: I'm not a scout but I've scouted for high school teams and I watch a lot of tape on QB's because I used to play the position so I at least know what to look for and I have an interest in it. Josh Rosen checks all of the boxes on what a prototypical NFL QB looks like. His only problem is what he has upstairs and in his heart. Tom Brady was very "Peterman-esque" coming out of college but he had what it took to outwork everyone else and he continues to do so almost 2 decades later. Rosen is the type of guy that is good at everything and his family is already wealthy so who knows if he has the interest or drive to be great at just football. He might decide he is more interested in policitics or starting his own business and he would probably do really well at those too. Sam Darnold wishes he was Josh Rosen because he wants it more. He would be a McBeane guy because of his heart and he is still a very good player. He has some things to work on but he can be a starter in the NFL. He's not going to go head to head with Tom Brady and throw for 400 yards to keep you in the game but he can be a part of a balanced attack that will rush it down your throat and then convert on 3rd down to move the sticks. He would have won us the Jags game but he wouldn't be much help vs the Pats. Josh Allen has the type of arm strength that people tell stories about 20 yrs later. You hear about how Elway could throw it from one endzone to the other and you are like noooo that can't be true. If Allen ever puts it all together he could be very special. He hasn't been able to yet and who knows if he ever will. He's very boom or bust. Drafting him #1 would be like putting your entire savings into bitcoins and holding on for dear life. And Mayfield wishes he was half the physical athlete of any those guys because I think he would die for this game. If he doesn't make it I don't think it will be for a lack of effort. Too bad you can't put him into one of their bodies! If he puts that same effort into his preparation and becomes a student of the game and stays level headed, he can be a good player. There's just so much to overcome when you are short and can't see where you are throwing a lot of the time. You really have to know exactly where the receiver is going to be. I don't know if he will be able to put it all together so I would be leery of drafting him top 10. Someone will reach though. Rudolph, who knows! He looks the part but you would have to get him under center to see if he knows what to do in a pro style offense. He might be a mess and a long term project or he might be a natural that just needs fine tuning. He didn't show anything in college to determine it one way or the other. He does have a good deep ball and he is a big guy. With proper footwork comes more accuracy underneath too so if he put it together he could be good as well. Jackson is a very good athlete. He could have a couple of good seasons but I just don't like dual threat QB's at the NFL level. It's not a model for long term success. He would be exciting to watch though. He would actually be the 3rd safest pick because with him you know what you are getting. If I had to pick someone to go #1 overall it would have to be Rosen but there's a chance he won't make it past his rookie deal so I wouldn't trade the farm to move up to get him. He could be like Jake Locker and have an injury and say screw this my health is more important. So that makes Darnold the safest pick but I think he projects as a game manager type QB who will need to be on a team with a strong running game. So toss up between those 2 guys imo. The other guys are more risky and if there weren't desperate teams out there I don't know if any of them would be 1st round picks. It would be a toss up of who to take next vs Jackson or Allen. I'd probably go Allen because if it works out I'm going to look like a genius but I think he needs to sit and learn. Jackson is more of a sure thing but I would have to change the offense to suit him. But how I think it will play out is 1) Darnold or Allen 2) Rosen 3) Allen or Darnold 4) Mayfield 5) Jackson 6) Rudolph Thanks for this post and putting in the time and work. Good stuff. With the super high ceiling of Allen, the Browns picking him actually makes a ton of sense. He has the highest ceiling but is also probably the greatest risk. If you are Buffalo, you can't trade up for that guy. If you are Cleveland, you could go ahead and take that guy #1 because you also have #4. It's just not as risky when you have 2 picks in the top 5. Don't know if they do it, but they are in a position to take that risk. If Cleveland takes Allen #1, it pretty much guarantees Darnold and Rosen go next because someone will trade to #3. Cleveland then still gets the best position player in the draft, whether that is Barkley or someone else like Chubb. Makes sense actually. Edited January 18, 2018 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Stafford? I'm pretty sure Stafford had decent footwork coming out of college and was generally accurate. Any cannon arm QB who goes #1 overall is more than just a cannon arm. I can't imagine Josh Allen going #1 just a year after Mahomes went 10th. He has accuracy issues, bad footwork, and appeared to regress this year. The only reason he's even going to be a 1st round QB is his big arm. NFL front offices are still convincing themselves they can fix all the other problems but it never happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bills aren’t drafting secondary with all of their holes. They re-sign Gaines and have one of the best defensive backfields in the NFL (arguably the best). They have to get QB, WR and front 7. I think this is correct. They went after Gaines last year for a reason. I think they draft a CB or safety later on as a backup, or find a cheap one in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, billspro said: Interested if you still think that after you watch a few of his games. One game against a bad defense. Edited January 18, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: Has anyone ever seen what it really looks like from the pocket for guys like Mayfield, Flutie, Tyrod Taylor? I'm curious to see what they see, when they are short QBs behind massive o-linemen. it's easier for him to see in college because his pocket looks like this in a shotgun spread offense in the pros it will look something like this: they have virtual reality QB views now. this is the future. i can't wait for this to be more readily available. but check this one out. this is from a clean pocket and you still can't even see the WR: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I sure hope Allen goes #1 overall. Better chance for the Bills to get a better QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) Good. Good! More for me and you. Edited January 18, 2018 by Jay_Fixit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Jimmy Clausen is going to come back to prove Kiper right. as likely as Bills trading starting DE for John Skelton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: I'm pretty sure Stafford had decent footwork coming out of college and was generally accurate. Any cannon arm QB who goes #1 overall is more than just a cannon arm. I can't imagine Josh Allen going #1 just a year after Mahomes went 10th. He has accuracy issues, bad footwork, and appeared to regress this year. The only reason he's even going to be a 1st round QB is his big arm. NFL front offices are still convincing themselves they can fix all the other problems but it never happens. Stafford was a 57% passer at Georgia and his draft profile included weaknesses like 'fundamentally lazy' and 'sloppy footwork'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If Josh Allen is the 1st pick in the NFL draft then I honestly will have to question what NFL teams are watching. I don't mean this in an arrogant way I am very much an amateur but I would love the opportunity to sit in a room for an afternoon with an NFL scout who has a 1st round grade on Josh Allen and go throw by throw and have him tell me what he is seeing because I am obviously not seeing it. I have been doing it 5 years and these people all their lives so they are more qualified than me but I just can't comprehend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If Josh Allen is the 1st pick in the NFL draft then I honestly will have to question what NFL teams are watching. I don't mean this in an arrogant way I am very much an amateur but I would love the opportunity to sit in a room for an afternoon with an NFL scout who has a 1st round grade on Josh Allen and go throw by throw and have him tell me what he is seeing because I am obviously not seeing it. I have been doing it 5 years and these people all their lives so they are more qualified than me but I just can't comprehend it. ....you'll never figure it out.....neither have the "professional (COUGH) draftniks"........remember watching the 2007 draft when Bflo took Lynch at #12........Beiber McShea called him a "reach of a bust" followed by his two bit snicker......better yet, go back to 1994 when Bylcream Mel had his hissy fit meltdown when he battled Colts Tobin pick of Alberts over Dilfer.....when Tobin was interviewed about Mel's comments, he merely said, "who the hell is he?".....this stuff is up there with " Jim "Crissy" Everett versus Jim Rome "down and out"..... Edited January 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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