Rob's House Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I keep reading about how bad our O-line is, but how much of that is due to personnel? Going into next season, assuming we don't move anyone, we should have Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Ducasse, Dawkins from left to right. That really doesn't look too bad. I know Duccasse isn't great, but he was serviceable down the stretch. Wood is decent, Incognito's a legit pro-bowler, and Glenn (assuming he's healthy) and Dawkins make for nice bookend tackles. Do we really need significant upgrades or do we just need better coaching and scheming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I keep reading about how bad our O-line is, but how much of that is due to personnel? Going into next season, assuming we don't move anyone, we should have Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Ducasse, Dawkins from left to right. That really doesn't look too bad. I know Duccasse isn't great, but he was serviceable down the stretch. Wood is decent, Incognito's a legit pro-bowler, and Glenn (assuming he's healthy) and Dawkins make for nice bookend tackles. Do we really need significant upgrades or do we just need better coaching and scheming? We don't have good depth. I don't know if Glenn will come back from his injury. Incognito may be gone if the racial slur is proved. Wood is, as you wrote, average right now. We need a dominating center that can preserve the pocket for the QB. Our OL definitely requires work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ganesh said: We don't have good depth. I don't know if Glenn will come back from his injury. Incognito may be gone if the racial slur is proved. Wood is, as you wrote, average right now. We need a dominating center that can preserve the pocket for the QB. Our OL definitely requires work. Depending on who we bring back I think our depth is pretty good. Mills, Groy, and Henderson are sub-par starters, but they're good back ups. Upgrades at RG and C would be ideal, but are they absolutely necessary? Edited January 15, 2018 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 almost guaranteed miller starts now that were going back to a power scheme 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1. Keep Glenn if healthy. He is still much better than Dawkins 2. Hope Dawkins can play RT 3. Cut Ducasse and play Miller at RG 4. Keep Groy and Wood but make it an honest competition in TC. Wood has really played below average football. Groy looked good last year. 5. They have too many holes in defensive front 7 and if they use a draft pick(s) on a QB to address the o-line until late in the draft. If Glenn is cut/traded then this group is in trouble. FA can change everything. But a line of Glenn, Incognito, Wood/Groy, Miller, Dawkins for 2018 would be fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The right side is still not good. Eric Wood and Incognito are getting old. We should be drafting olinemen every year until it is completely overhauled, in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: 1. Keep Glenn if healthy. He is still much better than Dawkins 2. Hope Dawkins can play RT 3. Cut Ducasse and play Miller at RG 4. Keep Groy and Wood but make it an honest competition in TC. Wood has really played below average football. Groy looked good last year. 5. They have too many holes in defensive front 7 and if they use a draft pick(s) on a QB to address the o-line until late in the draft. If Glenn is cut/traded then this group is in trouble. FA can change everything. But a line of Glenn, Incognito, Wood/Groy, Miller, Dawkins for 2018 would be fine with me. 2 I don't think Glenn is worth 12 mill per as he isn't that much better. For that kind of money, you would expect a pro bowler. I for one wouldn't mind trading him to be able to afford to build up the line in other areas. Ganesh has some points as the line could be revamped/upgraded at nearly every position. I would keep Woods and Incognito unless the latter finds himself in another mess with the NFL FO. http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/12/bills-pro-football-focus-cordy-glenn-richie-incognito-tyrod-taylor-dion-dawkins/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It seems like every team in the NFL would like to upgrade their offensive line. And the problem of depth is universal. Having said that, I agree with the premise of this thread: this is a solid line and considering all the needs this team has, investing in the o-line should not be a high priority. Yes, if you can get an affordable stud FA or find a gem int he draft to improve along that line, do it. But big spending or high draft choices should not be an off-season priority, The people we have are solid, they need to stay healthy and a better scheme (coaching) that fits them--like in the two years previous to this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Rob's House said: I keep reading about how bad our O-line is, but how much of that is due to personnel? Going into next season, assuming we don't move anyone, we should have Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Ducasse, Dawkins from left to right. That really doesn't look too bad. I know Duccasse isn't great, but he was serviceable down the stretch. Wood is decent, Incognito's a legit pro-bowler, and Glenn (assuming he's healthy) and Dawkins make for nice bookend tackles. Do we really need significant upgrades or do we just need better coaching and scheming? Not trying to be a Tyrod advocate here, but Tyrod makes the OL look better than they really are with his escapability. You saw what happened to Peterman behind the same OL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Ducasse and Mills must be replaced. They are BAD. Glenn is mostly unavailable. So to me I'd think about the line looking like this: Dawkins/Incognito/Wood Then we need to replace the two guys on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Two guys with Daboll ties available in free agency guard Josh Kline and tackle Cam Fleming. They could be our new right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Rob's House said: I keep reading about how bad our O-line is, but how much of that is due to personnel? Going into next season, assuming we don't move anyone, we should have Glenn, Incognito, Wood, Ducasse, Dawkins from left to right. That really doesn't look too bad. I know Duccasse isn't great, but he was serviceable down the stretch. Wood is decent, Incognito's a legit pro-bowler, and Glenn (assuming he's healthy) and Dawkins make for nice bookend tackles. Do we really need significant upgrades or do we just need better coaching and scheming? Personally, I think the O Line has been very good for the past 3+ years. My concern is age/effectiveness. Incognito and Wood, specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 How can anyone think the right side of our OL has been very good? Define very good? The stats do not lie on the right side of our OL. Sure they run blocking was good, but the pass blocking was atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Two guys with Daboll ties available in free agency guard Josh Kline and tackle Cam Fleming. They could be our new right side. Power scheme and the OL is already ready to dominate. A free agent OT will cost close to what Glenn makes. Just restructure his contract. Put him at RT. Miller wins RG. Groy and Mills depth. Edited January 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Personally, I think the O Line has been very good for the past 3+ years. My concern is age/effectiveness. Incognito and Wood, specifically. Based on the money saved and age, I would cut Incognito this off-season. Draft a guy, sign a guy, let Groy play there, I don't care. Just save the $7 million. Better to move on a year too soon than a year too late. At 35 years old, there will not be a gradual decline. He will hit a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bills need to start thinking about some youth on the oline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Give me a RG and a young developmental interior lineman to sit and learn from Wood and Incognito so he could potentially replace one of them. Do not make the mistake of pushing the offensive line to the back burner, it should be a high priority not the other way around. Great offensive lines make other players better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Bills need to start thinking about some youth on the oline A young center and OG. Groy and Miller can start in the NFL. Glenn is only 29 next year. Get him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 At bare minimum the Bills need to bring in a blue chip guard. Not necessary because Ducasse is that bad, but Icog is getting old.. Could be a drafted player or a free agent. The reality is no O-line will be all pro-bowlers, but got to have a couple of standouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm not what enough to know why it's not good, but it isn't. It's not horrible, but too often the o-line gets blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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