JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: There is no one who believes that. Straw man argument. It's not a straw man argument. I put Brees in the same class as Brady. Plenty of people don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: It's not a straw man argument. I put Brees in the same class as Brady. Plenty of people don't. Now it's a moving target. You said first-ballot hall of famer. Everyone believes he is a first-ballot hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Now it's a moving target. You said first-ballot hall of famer. Everyone believes he is a first-ballot hall of famer. That's a fair point that I didn't clearly state. 9 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Hes the most accurate passer I have ever seen. His genius goes beyond his great accuracy. He, like Brady, can almost instantaneously process what he sees and go through advanced progressions to get the ball to the receiver. You either have that ability or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: That's a fair point that I didn't clearly state. His genius goes beyond his great accuracy. He, like Brady, can almost instantaneously process what he sees and go through advanced progressions to get the ball to the receiver. You either have that ability or you don't. Well y'know that's why he's so accurate. You cannot be consistently accurate in real time without the ability to process and anticipate. You also need to have very sound fundamental mechanics. Oh I have seen him throw balls right through a moving tire when in shorts. He can do that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, JohnC said: I think that most people consider him worthy of the HOF. But I do believe that there are many people who don't consider him in the discussion with the best of the best such as Brady, Manning and Montana. I have him sitting at the same special small table designated for the all time best. . He will have more passing yards than any player ever by about week 6 next year. He will be 2nd all-time in passing TDs by about week 11. He will be first by 2019 (he and Brady are currently tied). I would love to talk to the person that isn’t sure he’s a 1st ballot HOfer. I’ve never met anyone that thought that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: He will have more passing yards than any player ever by about week 6 next year. He will be 2nd all-time in passing TDs by about week 11. He will be first by 2019 (he and Brady are currently tied). I would love to talk to the person that isn’t sure he’s a 1st ballot HOfer. I’ve never met anyone that thought that. As I responded to Starrymessenger I should have been clearer to what I meant. The issue isn't so much as being a first ballot HOF but being considered at the top or near top of the rankings and in the same discussion of the best ever with a qb such as Brady. If anyone argued that Brees was better than Brady I would not be dismissive of that view, although I would disagree with it. But for my money he is in that same lofty GOAT discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: As I responded to Starrymessenger I should have been clearer to what I meant. The issue isn't so much as being a first ballot HOF but being considered at the top or near top of the rankings and in the same discussion of the best ever with a qb such as Brady. If anyone argued that Brees was better than Brady I would not be dismissive of that view, although I would disagree with it. But for my money he is in that same lofty GOAT discussion. That’s fair. I’d have him in the top 5 I think. He is Marino that has a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Wait... this thread is still a thing? I see Tatonka has logged on today. I also noticed he didnt respond to this thread. Oh well have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s fair. I’d have him in the top 5 I think. He is Marino that has a Super Bowl. 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s fair. I’d have him in the top 5 I think. He is Marino that has a Super Bowl. Kurt Warner is in the HOF on the strength of his SB wins. If I recall correctly he won the SB with two teams, St. Louis and Arizona. There were a few years where he was the best at making the quick reads and precisely throwing the ball. He credited that ability from his days in the Arena League where the qb was forced to make quck decisions. For a shorter stint than Bress he was one of the best qbs in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: Kurt Warner is in the HOF on the strength of his SB wins. If I recall correctly he won the SB with two teams, St. Louis and Arizona. There were a few years where he was the best at making the quick reads and precisely throwing the ball. He credited that ability from his days in the Arena League where the qb was forced to make quck decisions. For a shorter stint than Bress he was one of the best qbs in the game. He only won 1 Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He only won 1 Super Bowl. Then he was in two SBs and won one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnC said: As I responded to Starrymessenger I should have been clearer to what I meant. The issue isn't so much as being a first ballot HOF but being considered at the top or near top of the rankings and in the same discussion of the best ever with a qb such as Brady. If anyone argued that Brees was better than Brady I would not be dismissive of that view, although I would disagree with it. But for my money he is in that same lofty GOAT discussion. QB comparative value is something that all of us have thought about. I agree that Brees and a few others have to be considered in the same class as TB. It's not that in saying that I do not concede him to be the GOAT I think less of Brady as a player. It's just that I recognize the importance of system and coaching in contributing to his success. Pats are the best coached and disciplined team in the game and have been for some time. That's Belly and his coordinators. If I was building a team from scratch and got to pick my QB from among the greats Tom would certainly not be my pick. Edited January 15, 2018 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBeats Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, JohnC said: Then he was in two SBs and won one? Lost to the Steelers after the ridiculous Holmes touchdown catch with 35 seconds left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, JohnC said: Then he was in two SBs and won one? Was in two SB and lost both, alas. One to NE (Brady's first) and one to the Steelers. 48 minutes ago, JohnC said: Then he was in two SBs and won one? I sit corrected. In Three superbowls, won one, lost two. And I should know that, too. Edited January 15, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 18 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: You need a great QB to win in playoffs, so Bills draft one this year. No more 2nd hand quarterbacks. You realize Keenum is a 2nd hand QB right? The Vikings are his 4th team in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, JohnC said: Then he was in two SBs and won one? Kurt Warner was in 3 and won one. Won Super Bowl XXXIV 23-16 over the Tennessee Titans Lost Super Bowl XXXVI 20-17 to the New England Patriots* on Adam Vinitari's Field Goal as time expired Lost Super Bowl XLIII 27-23 to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Santonio Holme's crazy last minute catch as well as James Harrison's goal line interception and epic run back just before halftime Edited January 15, 2018 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Kurt Warner was in 3 and won one. Won Super Bowl XXXIV 23-16 over the Tennessee Titans Lost Super Bowl XXXVI 20-17 to the New England Patriots* on Adam Vinitari's Field Goal as time expired Lost Super Bowl XLIII 27-23 to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Santonio Holme's crazy last minute catch as well as James Harrison's goal line interception and epic run back just before halftime Thanks for that info. That Harrison interception and stunning run back before halftime was an epic play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Gotta feel for that safety. Not a !@#$ing clue what he was thinking. Good for the Vikes and Zimmer though. Rooting for them. Yeah, pretty sure the moral of this game is tackle with your head up...or maybe just tackle period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He only won 1 Super Bowl. Possibly would have won 2 if he hadn't thrown a pick six before the half. Or if Santonio Holmes had not made a diving out of bounds dragging 2 toes circus catch with :35 to play because you know, good QBs don't need great WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Gugny said: I will have you know, mister, that your behavior is in DIRECT violation of the TERMS OF SERVICE here, on this here website!!! You HAD better take caution. Sorry I hurt your delicate feelings. Go squirt a few tears while you are living on your knees. OK gal? Edited January 16, 2018 by Badthingsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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