Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 4:25 PM, KelsaysLunchbox said: No. But they should show Haley the door. I agree. A lot of the poor decisions on Sunday were Haley's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree. A lot of the poor decisions on Sunday were Haley's Haley's contract is up anyway. Would not be a surprise if he moves on given the tension between him and Big Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Bill Cowher says "Hi" Bill Cowher at least has the excuse that he never had a QB until Big Ben (reaching a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell). And then he won the Super Bowl once he got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Haley's contract is up anyway. Would not be a surprise if he moves on given the tension between him and Big Ben. Ya a lot of signs are pointing that Haley's contract won't be renewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree. A lot of the poor decisions on Sunday were Haley's Onside kick is always HC decision. It's part of clock management as well. And understanding your Defense. Tomlin failed at everything with that one bad decision (not his only one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, seregil42 said: Bill Cowher at least has the excuse that he never had a QB until Big Ben (reaching a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell). And then he won the Super Bowl once he got him. O'Donnell was a very good QB, Stewart was a good QB, Maddox was a good QB. Don't write off non-Super Bowl winning QBs just because the Bills haven't had a real QB since Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Onside kick is always HC decision. It's part of clock management as well. And understanding your Defense. Tomlin failed at everything with that one bad decision (not his only one). Oh, I agree - and ultimately, the buck for all decisions stops with the HC. I do think Haley has persuaded the whole organization to go with his analytics/probability based approach, and I think if Haley hadn't made so many goofball calls, it wouldn't have come down to an onside kick. But fundamentally the Steelers problem with that game is that their defense was facing a "meh" offense with a great RB, and they couldn't shut it down. Edited January 16, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, row_33 said: O'Donnell was a very good QB, Stewart was a good QB, Maddox was a good QB. Don't write off non-Super Bowl winning QBs just because the Bills haven't had a real QB since Jim Kelly. O'Donnell was ok, but in a league that had Kelly, Aikman, Elway, Montana, Young, etc, he wasn't good enough. Same with Maddox. In what world was Stewart a good QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, row_33 said: O'Donnell was a very good QB, Stewart was a good QB, Maddox was a good QB. Don't write off non-Super Bowl winning QBs just because the Bills haven't had a real QB since Jim Kelly. O'Donnell wasn't a very good QB. He averaged about 14 TD's a year, career 81.8 rating, 57.8% completion percentage and only threw for 3,000 yards once. Kordell Stewart was a terrible QB. More INT's than TD's, 55.8% completion percentage, 70.7 rating and was benched multiple times. Tommy Maddox was a terrible QB. More INT's than TD's, 57.2% completion percentage, 72.4 rating, played for 5 teams in 9 years. Cowher worked with crap before he got Big Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I have never been sold on Tomlin. From the time he got there he had an established franchise QB, a team who just won a Super Bowl, and a ton of talent to work with. Let’s see how he would do with a rebuilding team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: O'Donnell wasn't a very good QB. He averaged about 14 TD's a year, career 81.8 rating, 57.8% completion percentage and only threw for 3,000 yards once. Kordell Stewart was a terrible QB. More INT's than TD's, 55.8% completion percentage, 70.7 rating and was benched multiple times. Tommy Maddox was a terrible QB. More INT's than TD's, 57.2% completion percentage, 72.4 rating, played for 5 teams in 9 years. Cowher worked with crap before he got Big Ben. a Bills fan calling other teams QBs terrible? that is to laugh... and using those stats is even more laughable I'd have taken O'Donnell and Stewart and Maddox and even Tomczak in a heartbeat over any Bills QB since Jim Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 looks like the minor partners want him fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: a Bills fan calling other teams QBs terrible? that is to laugh... and using those stats is even more laughable I'd have taken O'Donnell and Stewart and Maddox and even Tomczak in a heartbeat over any Bills QB since Jim Kelly You completely changed the argument. We aren't discussing if any of them were better than the Bills QBs of the past 20 years. But keep laughing, I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: a Bills fan calling other teams QBs terrible? that is to laugh... and using those stats is even more laughable I'd have taken O'Donnell and Stewart and Maddox and even Tomczak in a heartbeat over any Bills QB since Jim Kelly Let me get this straight, since we have had bad QB's, I can't call other QB's bad? I guess I can't call Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf bad. What kind of logical thinking is that? Those stats are even more laughable? Across the board, their stats are absolutely terrible. I guess you like QB's that turn the ball over more than they score. Geezus. 2 minutes ago, seregil42 said: You completely changed the argument. We aren't discussing if any of them were better than the Bills QBs of the past 20 years. But keep laughing, I suppose. Mike Tomzack and Kordell Stewart over Drew Bledsoe LOL.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I think this would go against everything that makes the Steelers great, but it doesn't sound good for Tomlin. I wonder what they would do at HC if they do fire him. They typically go with young up and coming coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Let me get this straight, since we have had bad QB's, I can't call other QB's bad? I guess I can't call Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf bad. What kind of logical thinking is that? Those stats are even more laughable? Across the board, their stats are absolutely terrible. I guess you like QB's that turn the ball over more than they score. Geezus. Mike Tomzack and Kordell Stewart over Drew Bledsoe LOL.... Good lord, I would have even been tempted to take Rob Johnson over Kordell Stewart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pretty good points by Brooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I'll be honest, if the Bills had Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or Roethlisberger I would expect at least a divisional championship appearance every year. Makes coaching so much easier when you have that guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Pretty good points by Brooks. They are valid points, but so is the fact that Tomlin has a HOF QB, arguably the best RB in the NFL, the best WR in the NFL and yet can't get it done year after year. Imagine if Belicheck had those guys at his disposal. And again, Cowher didn't have any QB to work with until Ben. Heck, John Harbaugh won a Super Bowl with less talent than what Tomlin has. I think Tomlin is an okay coach, but he is definitely under-achieving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Rex needs to don the shades, exit the booth, and get onto the sidelines as the Steelers DC stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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