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Brady would still have more rings. When Brady has had a full offense he has put up numbers better then Brees anyway, but they both do what their teams ask of them to and are magnificent QB's to watch. To me I do look at the post season and Brady has been masterful there. Brees has been good in his chances but truthfully I would bet Vikings this weekend over Brees and the Saints. If Brady was the QB it'd be NOLA.  Also elements do matter Brady is good outside, inside, good weather, bad weather etc.. Brees does have a bit of regression outdoors.

 

In the end it just is preference. Some Bills fans will never give Brady his due because he is on our rivals and will find any criticism they can against him the same way Falcon or Panther fans probably do with Brees and that is straight up preference/bias. Personally I think Peyton Manning while one of the all time greats is actually below Brady and Brees but many others would have him ahead of both. It really just comes down to what you value to decide your hierarchy. I do value post-season performance and stats together, others only one or the other.

 

If you were asking straight up who is the best QB in terms of perfection to the position I would say Aaron Rodgers, but he only has one ring and I would argue his team/mgmt holds him back in that regard.

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3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch?  And a bunch or retread RBs?

That's an extremely valid point.  

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The Patriots offensive game plan is more important than the QBs in my opinion.  The Patriots have plugged guys like Cassel into that offense and they were successful.  So, I have no doubt that Brees could have been successful in it as well.  What makes that offense so unique is that it requires a certain type of receiver to be successful.  The Patriots organization excels at recognizing otherwise average talent that will be successful in that offense.

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What the?

Tom Brady is the best player I have seen, at his position, in any professional sport.  I'm not convinced that Drew Brees is even considered to be in the Top Five all time Quarterbacks.

I would throw Gretzky in there with Brady.

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11 minutes ago, Murdox said:

The Patriots offensive game plan is more important than the QBs in my opinion.  The Patriots have plugged guys like Cassel into that offense and they were successful.  So, I have no doubt that Brees could have been successful in it as well.  What makes that offense so unique is that it requires a certain type of receiver to be successful.  The Patriots organization excels at recognizing otherwise average talent that will be successful in that offense.


This argument really pisses me off. The year they plugged Cassel in the Pats had just went 18-1 with the exact same lineup coming back. It wasn't like this was some average division winner with some talent, they were one David Tyree insane catch from being the best team period the previous year and many have wondered what that team would've been had Brady been healthy in 08. Other then that they've plugged Jimmy G for a whopping game and half and Jacoby Brisset for two and half games. Who else exactly have they "plugged in"?

 

Every great offense ever has been a product of great QB and with a scheme that their talent maximizes. Dan Fouts Air Corryell, Joe Montana West Coast, Jim Kelly K Gun etc... There is a reason why the offenses are hard to replicate at those levels yet are copied soo much. Brady has done an excellent job working a system that maximizes his slot WR and TE in the middle to create space while having a deep threat on the outside to break the defense.

 

I would rather Buffalo fans who can't stand the Patriots/Brady to any degree just say so and be done because the bias shows so dam badly and wrecks good conversations like this comparing two great QBs.

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Moss was legit, but was only their leading receiver once. 

Cooks has never been the pats leading reciver.

Gronk has been leading receiver in the twilight of Brady's career---and Brady won a SB last year without Gronk (Edelman was leading receiver), to go with the 3 other rings he got before he met Gronk.

 

Im just speaking in terms of talent.  That Corey Dillon year made me sick.

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5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch?  And a bunch or retread RBs?

The same or more.   

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1 hour ago, corta765 said:

Brady would still have more rings. When Brady has had a full offense he has put up numbers better then Brees anyway, but they both do what their teams ask of them to and are magnificent QB's to watch. To me I do look at the post season and Brady has been masterful there. Brees has been good in his chances but truthfully I would bet Vikings this weekend over Brees and the Saints. If Brady was the QB it'd be NOLA.  Also elements do matter Brady is good outside, inside, good weather, bad weather etc.. Brees does have a bit of regression outdoors.

 

In the end it just is preference. Some Bills fans will never give Brady his due because he is on our rivals and will find any criticism they can against him the same way Falcon or Panther fans probably do with Brees and that is straight up preference/bias. Personally I think Peyton Manning while one of the all time greats is actually below Brady and Brees but many others would have him ahead of both. It really just comes down to what you value to decide your hierarchy. I do value post-season performance and stats together, others only one or the other.

 

If you were asking straight up who is the best QB in terms of perfection to the position I would say Aaron Rodgers, but he only has one ring and I would argue his team/mgmt holds him back in that regard.

BB is just so important.

 

I think pound for pound, Brady is better than Brees.  The question is if having the GOAT at coaching gives Brees the edge over Brady to win more.  I say yes.  I actually think Peyton and BB win more than Brady with Dungy too.

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

What the?

Tom Brady is the best player I have seen, at his position, in any professional sport.  I'm not convinced that Drew Brees is even considered to be in the Top Five all time Quarterbacks.

I would throw Gretzky in there with Brady.

 

...have to agree.....Brees has always been a "ME" guy and put strains on Saints' cap situation with his salary demands.......and to carry "ME" a step forward, he's always been a stat boy.......STRICTLY my opinion, but 2 traits that do NOT warm me up to him.....hate 'em all you want, but Brady and Belichick are in a league of their own........

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Brees, but he wouldn't have 5 rings I don't think.

 

He would probably have 3-4 with NE, and Brady would probably have 2 in NO.

 

Just a guess of course, no one has any idea.

 

Brees is a great QB but he's not Tom Brady

 

3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

The same or more.   

No way he would have more than 5 rings.

 

You think Brees is a better QB than Brady?

 

Throw out who had the better teams/defences/playmakers.

 

If you have to pick a QB to win 1 game (both in their primes) who do you take, Brady or Brees?

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In this scenario does Brees agree to play with a contact well below market value in order that his team be able to be stocked with additional talent, or does he have the same contracts he's played under in New Orleans which forced the Saints to make very tough personnel decisions?

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I often think the dome issue is overhyped but I think it’s got to be a factor in this conversation. I’m not sure Brees has the build to have sustained success in the elements the way Brady has. 

 

I think if you gave brees the entire pats organization dropped into nola he’d have a MONSTER career. 

 

If you send drew to Boston, I’m not sure what happens 

5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

In this scenario does Brees agree to play with a contact well below market value in order that his team be able to be stocked with additional talent, or does he have the same contracts he's played under in New Orleans which forced the Saints to make very tough personnel decisions?

 

To be honest- Drew’s contract has paid him very well, but it’s nowhere near they top reasons the saints had major cap struggles. Gallette and Graham were waaaaay bigger issues. Among several others 

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Just now, Iron Maiden said:

Brady is a killer in the playoffs.....when it matters....Brees, not as much.....

In 12 games he has over 3900 yards 26 TDs and 7ints

 

extrapolates that’s over 5200 yards 35 TDs and 9 ints for a 16 game “season”

 

its a 7-5 playoff record but honestly 2 of those he lost on the defense giving up a final drive score after he took the lead and one was an OT loss with the chargers (don’t remember the story)

 

hes been pretty excellent in the post season  

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1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

In 12 games he has over 3900 yards 26 TDs and 7ints

 

extrapolates that’s over 5200 yards 35 TDs and 9 ints for a 16 game “season”

 

its a 7-5 playoff record but honestly 2 of those he lost on the defense giving up a final drive score after he took the lead and one was an OT loss with the chargers (don’t remember the story)

 

hes been pretty excellent in the post season  

 

Don't get me wrong...Brees is an excellent QB...but compare to Brady, it's not really close....

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Brady’s “season average” of his 34 game season being brought to 16 games would be about 4300 yards, 29 TDs and 14 picks. Just a rough reference point 

4 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

Don't get me wrong...Brees is an excellent QB...but compare to Brady, it's not really close....

 

You specifically called out the playoffs though. Stat was brees has been MUCH better in the playoffs. More yards per game, more TDs per game, fewer picks per game, higher completion percentage 

 

He’s been there less often though and those 9ers and seahawk losses were tough. Stop that beast-quake run and they are pretty much the same win percentage with brees having the far better stats. I get you don’t get to flip games but I don’t think the point you were trying to make is as clear and obvious as you think it is 

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4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Brady’s “season average” of his 34 game season being brought to 16 games would be about 4300 yards, 29 TDs and 14 picks. Just a rough reference point 

 

You specifically called out the playoffs though. Stat was brees has been MUCH better in the playoffs. He’s been thereless often though and those 9ers and seahawk losses were tough. Stop that beast-quake run and they are pretty much the same win percentage with brees having the far better stats. I get you don’t get to flip games but I don’t think the point you were trying to make is as clear and obvious as you think it is 

 

I'm more talking about how " clutch " Brady has been in the playoffs...from the 2001 last minute drive to put their kicker in position to beat the Rams ....all the way to last year's SB where he made history....

 

I guess the way I look at it is if you needed to pick a QB being down by 4 with 2 minutes left.....Brady would clearly be my choice.....over Brees....over anyone actually.... 

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6 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

I'm more talking about how " clutch " Brady has been in the playoffs...from the 2001 last minute drive to put their kicker in position to beat the Rams ....all the way to last year's SB where he made history....

 

I guess the way I look at it is if you needed to pick a QB being down by 4 with 2 minutes left.....Brady would clearly be my choice.....over Brees....over anyone actually.... 

 

Like when San Fran scored the go ahead TD with 2 mins left and Drew led a td drive back to take the lead (before the defense totally gave the game back in under a minute)? Or beating the eagles with a fg as time expired? 

 

i won’t disagree with people picking Tom. He’s great. Probably the right answer. But I think a lot of people will make the decisions based on a couple iconic plays swaying their opinions and not a true side by side comparison of the accomplishments 

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It’s been much harder to dominate in the NFC during their careers. 

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9 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

In this scenario does Brees agree to play with a contact well below market value in order that his team be able to be stocked with additional talent, or does he have the same contracts he's played under in New Orleans which forced the Saints to make very tough personnel decisions?

He still gets paid through a company he set up so Kraft can get that salary off the books so it's fine

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On 1/12/2018 at 9:39 AM, The Jokeman said:

Tough call but think Brees might be a better QB and one would think as result have similar or better results than Brady. Similar debate if what if we took Marino instead of Kelly in '83. 

 

No. Marino could throw but that was about it.  His running backs used to get killed because his fake was so bad.  The good news is in Marino was QB he probably would still get his leg broken and get commercial work just like he did season when he was on IR for North Cuban Phish.

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On 1/12/2018 at 4:00 PM, corta765 said:


This argument really pisses me off. The year they plugged Cassel in the Pats had just went 18-1 with the exact same lineup coming back. It wasn't like this was some average division winner with some talent, they were one David Tyree insane catch from being the best team period the previous year and many have wondered what that team would've been had Brady been healthy in 08. Other then that they've plugged Jimmy G for a whopping game and half and Jacoby Brisset for two and half games. Who else exactly have they "plugged in"?

 

Every great offense ever has been a product of great QB and with a scheme that their talent maximizes. Dan Fouts Air Corryell, Joe Montana West Coast, Jim Kelly K Gun etc... There is a reason why the offenses are hard to replicate at those levels yet are copied soo much. Brady has done an excellent job working a system that maximizes his slot WR and TE in the middle to create space while having a deep threat on the outside to break the defense.

 

I would rather Buffalo fans who can't stand the Patriots/Brady to any degree just say so and be done because the bias shows so dam badly and wrecks good conversations like this comparing two great QBs.

 

Ok, then tell me what parameters we are allowed to consider in trying to make this hypothetical comparison between two great QBs?  How many other offenses have had that kind of success plugging in a journeyman QB like Cassel?  And we know that Cassel has NOT been able to flourish in any other offense.  Did I say that makes Brady bad? 

 

That said, what "pisses me off" is anyone disputing the genius of the BB offensive scheme.  It is the most successful scheme in history at this point.  No other offense in history has had this kind of sustained success.  Brady is an enormous part of it, but I think we have seen enough evidence to know that a QB like Brees could also run it.  He has the accuracy and the quick decision-making to succeed in that offense.  Would he run the offense as well as Brady?  Maybe not, but he could probably tally the same number of rings.

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On 1/12/2018 at 10:34 PM, Iron Maiden said:

 

I'm more talking about how " clutch " Brady has been in the playoffs...from the 2001 last minute drive to put their kicker in position to beat the Rams ....all the way to last year's SB where he made history....

 

I guess the way I look at it is if you needed to pick a QB being down by 4 with 2 minutes left.....Brady would clearly be my choice.....over Brees....over anyone actually.... 

 

take it a step further, Brady has led 4 Super Bowl winning drives.

 

2001

2003

2014 

2016

 

He also led one in 2007, scoring a go ahead TD with 2 minutes left, the defense let him down.

 

Brees maybe pulls off 1 or 2 of those drives, but definitely not all 4.

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The dome issue is real for Brees IMO - over his career his comp% drops 5 points outdoors, the teams w-l record is about .500, YPA goes down.  He's also thrown a lot more interceptions than brady.

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On 1/12/2018 at 9:36 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The team with the NFL on its side.

Goodell does his best to make both teams go 0-16. 

On 1/12/2018 at 8:48 AM, nuklz2594 said:

question?  if drew brees was a patriot and brady was a saint....who would have more rings?

If Belichick was the HC of the Bills, they would make the playoffs most years.

If Brady was the QB of the Bills, they would make the playoffs most years.

Add them together and the Bills have SB rings.

 

Both are the GOATs on their own, but together...

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