hondo in seattle Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I get your point. The 9ers have arguably the best QBs ever. Try a team like Pittsburgh, Bears, Lions, Browns, and you see long stretches of mediocrity under center. Vaild point. The 49ers are an atypical example. But I don't think the Bills Top Five list is going to compare well with many clubs. Let's use a team you suggested. Here are the guys I'd put on Cleveland's Top Five list: Otto Graham, Brian Sipe, Bernie Kosar, Time Couch and then maybe Bill Nelson. Someone else might put Frank Ryan, Milt Plum, Mike Phipps, Vinny Testeverde or Don Strock in their Top Five. In Buffalo, we have trouble finding five QBs to put on our Top Five list. Edited December 9, 2017 by hondo in seattle typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Dan Darraugh didn't make your list? ....dammit....I just wet myself............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Anyone that puts Daryle Lamonica in their top QB’s that ever played in Buffalo is just trying to be cute like they actually know something. The guy completed 42 percent of his passes and had 16 TD’s and 23 INT’s. Let’s end the silly, stupid charade right now. Daryle Lamonica sucked as a Buffalo Bill. SUCKED. You got to take into consideration that the AFL in the mid 60's passing had those numbers. Most QBs had around a 50% completion percentage. Most had more INTs than TDs. It was a completely different game. Jack Kemp's career numbers (AFL NFL) was 114 TDs vs 183 INTs. Lamonica started only 4 games and won them all. He also only came in when Kemp was playing horrible and had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks. I would of loved to see Kemp go to the Raiders in '67 and Lamonica staying Buffalo. For all of the Oldtimers: Imagine a Bills Message Board in the 60s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You got to take into consideration that the AFL in the mid 60's passing had those numbers. Most QBs had around a 50% completion percentage. Most had more INTs than TDs. It was a completely different game. Jack Kemp's career numbers (AFL NFL) was 114 TDs vs 183 INTs. Lamonica started only 4 games and won them all. He also only came in when Kemp was playing horrible and had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks. I would of loved to see Kemp go to the Raiders in '67 and Lamonica staying Buffalo. For all of the Oldtimers: Imagine a Bills Message Board in the 60s! There would not have been enough electrons in the universe to handle the Kemp vs. Lamonica posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I get your point. The 9ers have arguably the best QBs ever. Try a team like Pittsburgh, Bears, Lions, Browns, and you see long stretches of mediocrity under center. It’s got to be the Colts. Johnny U, Morrall, Burt Jones, Peyton, Luck, Elway if he in any way counts which I’m sure he doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Dan Darraugh didn't make your list? Darraugh was an interesting prospect coming out of William and Mary and undrafted. He was excellent for the Bills in camp and the pre-season, injured his shoulder, and became a footnote. He certainly shouldn't be considered as a bottom five guy as he never truly had the opportunity to prove himself. My bottom five favorite is Losman, a disaster as a quarterback and first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, Formerly Allan in MD said: Darraugh was an interesting prospect coming out of William and Mary and undrafted. He was excellent for the Bills in camp and the pre-season, injured his shoulder, and became a footnote. He certainly shouldn't be considered as a bottom five guy as he never truly had the opportunity to prove himself. My bottom five favorite is Losman, a disaster as a quarterback and first round pick. Yeah Darraugh wasn't horrible. Hobert to me was the worst. JP had the talent but could never handle the mental aspects of the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: There would not have been enough electrons in the universe to handle the Kemp vs. Lamonica posts. Just thinking about it is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You got to take into consideration that the AFL in the mid 60's passing had those numbers. Most QBs had around a 50% completion percentage. Most had more INTs than TDs. It was a completely different game. Jack Kemp's career numbers (AFL NFL) was 114 TDs vs 183 INTs. Lamonica started only 4 games and won them all. He also only came in when Kemp was playing horrible and had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks. I would of loved to see Kemp go to the Raiders in '67 and Lamonica staying Buffalo. For all of the Oldtimers: Imagine a Bills Message Board in the 60s! Yes, the 60s was a great era, with Golden Wheels, dangerous Dan, the cookie, and Sestak among others. Would have been a great board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You got to take into consideration that the AFL in the mid 60's passing had those numbers. Most QBs had around a 50% completion percentage. Most had more INTs than TDs. It was a completely different game. Jack Kemp's career numbers (AFL NFL) was 114 TDs vs 183 INTs. Lamonica started only 4 games and won them all. He also only came in when Kemp was playing horrible and had a lot of 4th quarter comebacks. I would of loved to see Kemp go to the Raiders in '67 and Lamonica staying Buffalo. For all of the Oldtimers: Imagine a Bills Message Board in the 60s! http://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=P&yr=1966&lg=AFL This says different. Not to mention, the Bills won 2 titles on the back of a great defense.....not Jack Kemp. Edited December 9, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Vaild point. The 49ers are an atypical example. But I don't think the Bills Top Five list is going to compare well with many clubs. Let's use a team you suggested. Here are the guys I'd put on Cleveland's Top Five list: Otto Graham, Brian Sipe, Bernie Kosar, Time Couch and then maybe Bill Nelson. Someone else might put Frank Ryan, Milt Plum, Mike Phipps, Vinny Testeverde or Don Strock in their Top Five. In Buffalo, we have trouble finding five QBs to put on our Top Five list. I wouldn't put Tim Couch is in the top 5 it's not an impressive list with a whopping 73.2 qb rating with 64 TD's and 67 INT's in four years. Rob Johnson and JP Losman had better stats. Edited December 9, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1964_AFL/passing.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Elite Poster said: Travesty that Jeff Tuel or Peterman didn't make this list. Brian Brohm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) So...........Alex Van Pelt, Holcomb, Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Fitz, Cassel, Rob Johnson didn't make the list? Jesus, that list is a whole lot of fail going on there. Well, its no wonder we havent sniffed the playoffs in 17 yrs. Edited December 9, 2017 by Sweats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Johnny green, Kay Stephenson, dan daraugh, james harris and Dennis Shaw, my top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Y’all are suspect with your fancy stats and arguments. Let’s see here..hmmmm...who brought us our last winning season during the past 17 yrs and threw for 3800 extrapolated yards?? I’ll sit back and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Y’all are suspect with your fancy stats and arguments. Let’s see here..hmmmm...who brought us our last winning season during the past 17 yrs and threw for 3800 extrapolated yards?? I’ll sit back and wait. Place him on the wall next to Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Y’all are suspect with your fancy stats and arguments. Let’s see here..hmmmm...who brought us our last winning season during the past 17 yrs and threw for 3800 extrapolated yards?? I’ll sit back and wait. Forgot to mention as well he would have brought the playoffs that year if he started the first four games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Place him on the wall next to Orton Orton is the answer. No respect? What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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