Punt75 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 What NFL team comes out with the same less than average QB and a 66% roster CHANGE from the previous year after 17 seasons of not making the play-offs and expects to win??? ANSWER: NO TEAM !!! The 34% who still remain as of Sunday (18 players) are: Groy, Henderson, Mills, Wood, Incognito, Glenn, Tyrod, Miller, Clay, O’Leary, Schmidt, Williams, Alexander, Brown, Hughes, McCoy, Tate, Washington. How many are valuable assets for trades? The Bills of 2017 were expected to lose. This was to be the cleansing, flush the toilet and start over season. Too many 7-9, 8-8 finishes didn’t make us close to being a real Super Bowl contender and we all knew that. A lucky win here, a missed penalty there and we might have grabbed a play-off spot one of those last 17 years. Did it really matter? We didn’t have the talent to be a big winner. Somehow, with less talent, the Bills have done the unexpected. Put us back in that traditional “close to the play-offs” picture. I look forward to 2018 and beyond. We’re on the right track. Enjoy it and don’t complain! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) You're right ... these Bills should have had no expectation that they'd be at 6-6. But I'm not sure that's so good long term. As to which returning players have trade value? The answer is none. That's ... really bad. I suppose you might get a 7th rounder or something for Adolphus. But most of them you literally couldn't give away. Their salaries are greater than their value. EDIT: you missed Shaq Lawson (probably because he missed most of last year himself). He'd have some trade value. Probably a 4th rounder or so like Ragland. Edited December 8, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Most of the moves they made were the correct ones even though they were panned by the "experts" and many Bills fans/sportswriters. The problem was that the same deficiency at QB remained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The Bills didn’t lose as expected because 6 teams they played self-destructed with turnovers and/or very poor play. The Bills haven’t beaten any team that played well against them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Lucky in Atlanta and Tampa Should be 4-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yep. Credit to the team and coach for ignoring all the tank talk and just playing to win. I just want to see the team compete, forget flushing the toilet for a season. Let the GM plan for the future, and the team play for the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The defense was getting a lot of turnovers off of a) very bad teams and b) very lucky tips and bounces. The luck ran out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Structure and Character goes a long way in team sports. Once we add more talent to it, we should be a perennial playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Overall big picture I like what were doing but it would definitely be easier to take if we didn't start out 5-2. Plus short term let's be honest it's still painful watching us being manhandled and bullied by the Patriots Edited December 8, 2017 by Another Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 JAURON BALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt75 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You're right ... these Bills should have had no expectation that they'd be at 6-6. But I'm not sure that's so good long term. As to which returning players have trade value? The answer is none. That's ... really bad. I suppose you might get a 7th rounder or something for Adolphus. But most of them you literally couldn't give away. Their salaries are greater than their value. EDIT: you missed Shaq Lawson (probably because he missed most of last year himself). He'd have some trade value. Probably a 4th rounder or so like Ragland. I wrote "as of Sunday" knowing Shaq was on IR. I think we'll trade him before the draft. He's just nothing special and too light and not strong to play inside! Thanks for the comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: The Bills didn’t lose as expected because 6 teams they played self-destructed with turnovers and/or very poor play. The Bills haven’t beaten any team that played well against them. And philly hasn't beaten a team with a winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1. The secondary played much much better than anyone expected. 2. TT is better than people on this board give him credit. Not turning over the ball gives you the chance to win 3. They got lucky with injuries to Julio Jones and some timely turnovers 4. For a while they played with much greater discipline than they every did under Ryan 5. The fans and media know much less about football than we think we do 6. No NFL player or team tanks. They don't have guaranteed contracts. Every snap is on film. The players need to compete at a high level to get paid. 7. People need to stop analyzing the schedule. There is no way to project what teams will be good or bad. 8. The 2016 team was an 11 win team hobbled by injuries at WR and an antiquated defensive scheme coached by two buffoons 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Figured they’d go 7-9, give or take a game. Looks like that’s about what they’re going to do. Shrug. Lots of people indulge in hyperbole - they gotta be great or they gotta totally suck - but reality has been that they’re pretty average. They can build on that and get better, but it’s who they are this season and it’s who they’ve been for awhile. Edited December 8, 2017 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: The defense was getting a lot of turnovers off of a) very bad teams and b) very lucky tips and bounces. The luck ran out. That. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt75 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: 1. The secondary played much much better than anyone expected. 2. TT is better than people on this board give him credit. Not turning over the ball gives you the chance to win 3. They got lucky with injuries to Julio Jones and some timely turnovers 4. For a while they played with much greater discipline than they every did under Ryan 5. The fans and media know much less about football than we think we do 6. No NFL player or team tanks. They don't have guaranteed contracts. Every snap is on film. The players need to compete at a high level to get paid. 7. People need to stop analyzing the schedule. There is no way to project what teams will be good or bad. 8. The 2016 team was an 11 win team hobbled by injuries at WR and an antiquated defensive scheme coached by two buffoons Great Observations! The secondary is much better than I expected - how did we steal Hyde? Thanks for the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: JAURON BALL And the crap qb you peddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: And the crap qb you peddle JAURON BALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, Bakin said: And philly hasn't beaten a team with a winning record. Carolina is 8-4. And Philly has beaten several teams who played really well against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: The Bills didn’t lose as expected because 6 teams they played self-destructed with turnovers and/or very poor play. The Bills haven’t beaten any team that played well against them. Um, that’s usually how it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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